Incomplete Drill Ideas (Work in Progress)

[navel]

Sometimes I get an idea for a drill that isn't deserving of a whole new thread.
These ideas may be incorrect, lacking or not completely tried out yet. They may however still be worthy of more than just being fleeing thoughts soon to be forgotten.

I hope some of you want to share this thinking and idea space with me. Anything goes.
Maybe we will come up with some great things together, or we can dismiss ideas that's not worth the time.

 

[navel]

#1 How to correctly load the Posterior Oblique Sling and fire it from the bottom up

* Hold a stick (or a golf club) instead of a disc in your throwing hand. Stand in the power pocket position with 90 degree angle at your shoulder.
* The stick should form another (close to) 90 degree angle so that it ends up on the outer part of your rear shoulder.

* Go through the throwing motion slowly, firing the hips first as you should.
* You should try to (try being the keyword, since you won't really do be able to do it) place the stick in line with the backside of your rear hip/butt by moving the back hip/butt forward under your thorax, while you keep your stick(disc), shoulders and thorax in a fixed angle.
You should feel a tension through the whole Posterior Oblique Sling (from the back hamstring to the front elbow). That's the goal. You want to keep that tension.

Now stop resisting and let everything unload from the back hamstring up, spiraling out like a whip and flinging the stick away forward. There's your throw. Powerful and effortless. Maybe it will feel a bit weird. Remember that this position can't be achieved in a static position. If it did it wouldn't be so powerful. So you need to practice it. Don't put tension where you don't want it. Focus on tension in just the sling. It should feel like a rubber band running diagonally over your whole back. The rest of your body should feel relaxed and athletic.



See if you can see the imaginary stick in these gifs. Compare it to a vid of yourself. Are you letting your sling load before you fire it? Are you firing it from the bottom up?

 

[RFrance]

I just tried this. I think you have found the key that unlocks the secret of how to do the Beato Drill! :thmbup:

#1 How to correctly load the Posterior Oblique Sling and fire it from the bottom up

* Hold a stick (or a golf club) instead of a disc in your throwing hand. Stand in the power pocket position with 90 degree angle at your shoulder.
* The stick should form another (close to) 90 degree angle so that it ends up on the outer part of your rear shoulder.

* Go through the throwing motion slowly, firing the hips first as you should.
* You should try to (try being the keyword, since you won't really do be able to do it) place the stick in line with the backside of your rear hip/butt by moving the back hip/butt forward under your thorax, while you keep your stick(disc), shoulders and thorax in a fixed angle.
You should feel a tension through the whole Posterior Oblique Sling (from the back hamstring to the front elbow). That's the goal. You want to keep that tension.

Now stop resisting and let everything unload from the back hamstring up, spiraling out like a whip and flinging the stick away forward. There's your throw. Powerful and effortless. Maybe it will feel a bit weird. Remember that this position can't be achieved in a static position. If it did it wouldn't be so powerful. So you need to practice it. Don't put tension where you don't want it. Focus on tension in just the sling. It should feel like a rubber band running diagonally over your whole back. The rest of your body should feel relaxed and athletic.



See if you can see the imaginary stick in these gifs. Compare it to a vid of yourself. Are you letting your sling load before you fire it? Are you firing it from the bottom up?

 

[navel]

I just tried this. I think you have found the key that unlocks the secret of how to do the Beato Drill! :thmbup:

Thanks! I'm happy that it worked for one more person. That makes it 100% so far.
The Beato drill is nothing unless you load your sling and release it from the right anchor point.
- Slack on the string is like a rubber band not being extended.
- Bad anchor point is like loading a rubber band by pinching it with both hands and then releasing both ends at the same time. It will go nowhere, but the force will unleash nonetheless.

 

[azplaya25]

Trying to get a feel for this. Any chance you could post a vid?

 

[azplaya25]

Never mind I think I've got it. Using one of those tennis ball launchers for dogs. Feels unbelievably powerful and effortless

 

[sidewinder22]

Not sure I'd use the Fire the Hips, but just take a step.

Starts about 1:57 in Don't Spill Beverage!

 

[navel]

Not sure I'd use the Fire the Hips, but just take a step.

Starts about 1:57 in Don't Spill Beverage!

Similar, but also very different. In your link the swing is more rhythmic and swinging from the shoulder, correct? (I haven't watched the whole vid though.) Looks like your upper arm is collapsing against your chest, and everything is a bit loose from the shoulder down. Ball on a string, heavy arm, working with gravity etc.
My thought for the Oblique Load Drill is to really feel the load through the whole posterior chain and keep loading loading loading until you have no choice but to release it from the rear hip up, which also seems to be a good way to find the anchor in the swing. Both drills have their place, but they are, and should, feel very different, yes?

 

[RFrance]

Similar, but also very different. In your link the swing is more rhythmic and swinging from the shoulder, correct? (I haven't watched the whole vid though.) Looks like your upper arm is collapsing against your chest, and everything is a bit loose from the shoulder down. Ball on a string, heavy arm, working with gravity etc.
My thought for the Oblique Load Drill is to really feel the load through the whole posterior chain and keep loading loading loading until you have no choice but to release it from the rear hip up, which also seems to be a good way to find the anchor in the swing. Both drills have their place, but they are, and should, feel very different, yes?

That's what I was feeling. With the rhythmic swing I feel the centrifugal force and with the Oblique Load I feel the rubber band force.

 

[sidewinder22]

Similar, but also very different. In your link the swing is more rhythmic and swinging from the shoulder, correct? (I haven't watched the whole vid though.) Looks like your upper arm is collapsing against your chest, and everything is a bit loose from the shoulder down. Ball on a string, heavy arm, working with gravity etc.
My thought for the Oblique Load Drill is to really feel the load through the whole posterior chain and keep loading loading loading until you have no choice but to release it from the rear hip up, which also seems to be a good way to find the anchor in the swing. Both drills have their place, but they are, and should, feel very different, yes?

That's what I was feeling. With the rhythmic swing I feel the centrifugal force and with the Oblique Load I feel the rubber band force.

Not sure what you talking about. The upper arm is not collapsing less than 90. The elbow is rising into the backswing and the club is really pulling/stretching the lat taut when it slings back over the shoulder. Feels just like Byrson DeChambeau, Athlean X, Door Frame Drill.

 

[navel]

Not sure what you talking about. The upper arm is not collapsing less than 90. The elbow is rising into the backswing and the club is really pulling/stretching the lat taut when it slings back over the shoulder. Feels just like Byrson DeChambeau, Athlean X, Door Frame Drill.

As I said I didn't watch the whole video. I watched the "Don't spill the Beverage" around the point you refered to (1:57). I started a bit earlier around 1:40 maybe? To me it looks like the angle is more and sometimes less than 90 degrees when you are swinging, but I could be wrong? I'm not saying that it's a fact, and I'm not claiming that your drill is bad, quite the opposite. I didn't even see you with a club in hand when I watched it before. Those club swings look more like 90 degrees. But the club is also heavier and with a different balance than a disc. How does it translate to the throw? I think that's where this Oblique Load Drill is quite good actually. It's two different drills with different feels, yes? Or maybe it's just different strokes for different folks? We all learn in different ways and feel the swing/throw in different ways too.

I find the drill that I described good for feeling the load even when switching to a disc in hand. It's also good for feeling the anchor point and some other stuff. To me it's like a more dynamic door frame drill. It could be of help in how to find an imaginary door frame to load against when throwing and there's no door frame on the tee pad.
Could it maybe be something to build upon? After all this thread is supposed to be for drills in progress.

 

[sidewinder22]

As I said I didn't watch the whole video. I watched the "Don't spill the Beverage" around the point you refered to (1:57). I started a bit earlier around 1:40 maybe? To me it looks like the angle is more and sometimes less than 90 degrees when you are swinging, but I could be wrong? I'm not saying that it's a fact, and I'm not claiming that your drill is bad, quite the opposite. I didn't even see you with a club in hand when I watched it before. Those club swings look more like 90 degrees. But the club is also heavier and with a different balance than a disc. How does it translate to the throw? I think that's where this Oblique Load Drill is quite good actually. It's two different drills with different feels, yes? Or maybe it's just different strokes for different folks? We all learn in different ways and feel the swing/throw in different ways too.

I find the drill that I described good for feeling the load even when switching to a disc in hand. It's also good for feeling the anchor point and some other stuff. To me it's like a more dynamic door frame drill. It could be of help in how to find an imaginary door frame to load against when throwing and there's no door frame on the tee pad.
Could it maybe be something to build upon? After all this thread is supposed to be for drills in progress.

IDK maybe I'm missing something in text. I'm much more visual learner.

After I use the club/door frame, I switch to disc doing/feeling the same load and spring.

 

[RFrance]

This is what I was referring to, starting from a static position like in navel's grey picture.

"You should feel a tension through the whole Posterior Oblique Sling (from the back hamstring to the front elbow). That's the goal. You want to keep that tension".

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Of course, Dan really powers through with his rear leg as well. But I couldn't get this feeling using just the lats.

 

[Parbequeue]

Can you elaborate on the "firing the hips" part? I feel like this is often misconstrued as an active hip rotation/movement (unless that's what you're supposed to do and I've been leaving power off the table for a very long time!). Do you mean shifting / settling into the front side? Thanks!

 

[navel]

Can you elaborate on the "firing the hips" part? I feel like this is often misconstrued as an active hip rotation/movement (unless that's what you're supposed to do and I've been leaving power off the table for a very long time!). Do you mean shifting / settling into the front side? Thanks!

Bad choice of words really. The correct thing would be to shift / settle to let the the hips fire on auto. You can feel the same load by manually firing the hips too, but you will get the biproduct of leaking power and missing your aim, as you always will if you are trying to rotate your hips.

I would believe this drill is mostly beneficial for feeling the Posterior Oblique Sling and how to load and release it. You still have to get other parts right too. You can however 'cheat' just to feel the Oblique Sling and focus on shifting when you get the feelibg right. Like in the Beto Drill.

 

[navel]

New drill!

I didn't know where to post this so it ended up here. It may have a place in the disc pivot and snap thread? Maybe somewhere together with BlakeT's drills? I'm not sure.

This is a drill that has helped me a lot. It's one of the most helpful tools I know (as of now) for timing, snap and hitting the lines. And the best part is that it's really simple.
It might just work for me and nobody else, who knows? It's still a work in progress so there is surely room for improvement.


Enough rambling, here it is:

1. Grab a disc in your throwing hand with your usual grip. (Flat putters work best for this drill.)

2. Add onother disc on top with the top facing down. Grip the edge with your thumb. The discs should now be perfectly lined up.

3. Swing through slow and smooth until the upper disc moves forward towards the target. Imagine the upper disc being the handle of a hammer.

How and why does it work?

1. The added weight of another disc makes the swing and movements more fluid and smooth.

2. It's easy to feel the hit when the top disc moves. Does the top disc move/pivot straight towards the target, or would it rip out early or late? Does the hit feel "heavy" to you? Can you make the disc pivot feel "snappier" with better timing (not by adding speed or power)?

That's it! It feels like a sort of hammer drill for me. It's not going to fix your whole swing from the ground up. That's not what it's meant to do. It's a tool for finding the hit and release point and adding more smooth power to the snap. The movement could be part of a pre throwing routine, before putting or befor an approach shot.

 

[azplaya25]

You posted something in another thread about imagining that you are stirring a big cauldron with a giant spoon. Just wanted to say, combining that spoon stirring a cauldron with this two disc stacked drill has helped me learn how to snap a disc better than anything else on this site. Thanks for all the great ideas you post on here!