Kristin Tattar #73986

[foxdawg10]

Her rating took a big drop in the last update but i think she will jump up again next time. . but she Still IS the highest rated FPO player. . wonder if she can get close to Paiges all time high rating? - - Paige was close to be the first woman to get to a 1000 . . can Kristin take that step that Paige has not reached?

5 points isn't a very big drop at all. That translates to roughly a half a stroke per round.

I agree that I would expect her rating to jump next time around. Last weekend she averaged over 1000 rated golf, and this weekend at the Silver Series event at North Boundary, she is averaging 990.

I am not sure if she will reach 1000. That seems like a high bench mark, and Paige crashed and burned when she approached that level. I don't have any numbers to back it up, but it seems that the FPO division overall has improved by leaps and bound over last few years, and we are seeing much higher ratings across the board these days.

 

[txmxer]

I think the ratings system acts as something of a curve and tends to be self limiting in the short run. People talk about inflation, which may be true, but it is more generational than year over year. As the current top players fade, the next gen benefits from that.

 

[@CD-]

Her rating took a big drop in the last update but i think she will jump up again next time. . but she Still IS the highest rated FPO player. . wonder if she can get close to Paiges all time high rating? - - Paige was close to be the first woman to get to a 1000 . . can Kristin take that step that Paige has not reached?

I am not sure if she will reach 1000. That seems like a high bench mark, and Paige crashed and burned when she approached that level. I don't have any numbers to back it up, but it seems that the FPO division overall has improved by leaps and bound over last few years, and we are seeing much higher ratings across the board these days.

I expect Tattar's rating in the 983-985 range after this update (Ledgestone, DMC, Worlds, BCDGC included). She has put together a really impressive last 12 months with a STDEV ~21, meaning rounds below 930ish will be dropped. She will need to average 2+ strokes better every single round to get to 1000 though so maybe once fully rehab'd from her injury she'll come back with a stronger backhand.

Would have been amazing to see her in USWDGC and European Open competitions potentially winning a couple more Majors to cap off the year. opcorn:

Competing off the U.S. tour in Europe seems to have been the majority of her lower rated rounds/tournaments this year (lower strength of field and/or playing same layouts as MPO?) :\

I think when PP was really pushing her rating there were a few more courses that produced high OB rates for the lower rated/shorter throwing field and now there are better suited FPO layouts on tour. With tour cards/tiered registrations now the field is probably a bit higher skill level overall.

Her 1st round was 6 under and rated 1000.
2nd was 5 under but shows up as 979.

I don't really understand all the nuances of the rating system, 21 seems like a pretty big swing for 1 stroke.
I guess that means that on average, the field perform better the 2nd round?

Lykke Lorentzen shot 75 both rounds: 941, 923.

I expect the finalized ratings will narrow that gap (group together the scores) unless some extreme wind/rain came through (MPO gap is very small in comparison). Probably some players figuring out the course and minimized penalties 2nd time through.

 

[foxdawg10]

I expect Tattar's rating in the 983-985 range after this update (Ledgestone, DMC, Worlds, BCDGC included). She has put together a really impressive last 12 months with a STDEV ~21, meaning rounds below 930ish will be dropped. She will need to average 2+ strokes better every single round to get to 1000 though so maybe once fully rehab'd from her injury she'll come back with a stronger backhand.

Would have been amazing to see her in USWDGC and European Open competitions potentially winning a couple more Majors to cap off the year. opcorn:

Competing off the U.S. tour in Europe seems to have been the majority of her lower rated rounds/tournaments this year (lower strength of field and/or playing same layouts as MPO?) :\

I think when PP was really pushing her rating there were a few more courses that produced high OB rates for the lower rated/shorter throwing field and now there are better suited FPO layouts on tour. With tour cards/tiered registrations now the field is probably a bit higher skill level overall.


I expect the finalized ratings will narrow that gap (group together the scores) unless some extreme wind/rain came through (MPO gap is very small in comparison). Probably some players figuring out the course and minimized penalties 2nd time through.

I don't see the injury being much of a limiting factor regarding Kristin's scoring. She typically throws 70% power and her game is more about strategy, control and placement.

It seems she is at the top of her game right now. It is a scary thought for the rest of the field that she is capable of playing even better.

 

[@CD-]

I don't see the injury being much of a limiting factor regarding Kristin's scoring. She typically throws 70% power and her game is more about strategy, control and placement.

It seems she is at the top of her game right now. It is a scary thought for the rest of the field that she is capable of playing even better.

I guess my thought was 'how does she score better at every course on tour to get to 1000 rated?' Yes she can continue doing her current golf strategy/style but that is only getting her as many 1000 rated+ rounds as 950-970 rated ones. The BH injury may be pushing her to use the FH more (maybe not be the ideal shot selection) and getting her to C2 instead of C1. If she recovers from the injury and comes back with a stronger BH (better power & accuracy) than what we are currently seeing then she could pick up a stroke or more by just getting closer to the target more consistently.

 

[foxdawg10]

I guess my thought was 'how does she score better at every course on tour to get to 1000 rated?' Yes she can continue doing her current golf strategy/style but that is only getting her as many 1000 rated+ rounds as 950-970 rated ones. The BH injury may be pushing her to use the FH more (maybe not be the ideal shot selection) and getting her to C2 instead of C1. If she recovers from the injury and comes back with a stronger BH (better power & accuracy) than what we are currently seeing then she could pick up a stroke or more by just getting closer to the target more consistently.

Is it not enough for you for her to be dominating the FPO right now? I am curious where this is coming from. I have never heard Kristin talk about this being one of her goals, where as Paige was constantly talking about it, and in a sense set herself up for failure, even though she was dominating women's disc golf at the time.

Kristin seems much more methodical and process oriented. Her game was soild this weekend, but she could have improved on her C1x putting. I didn't watch enough to know if this related to her game, or to the course itself. The part I did watch, there were alot of death putts, drop offs and rollaways. So maybe strategy and the course dictated that running every putt was not the best strategy at North Boundary.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

Is it not enough for you for her to be dominating the FPO right now? I am curious where this is coming from. I have never heard Kristin talk about this being one of her goals, where as Paige was constantly talking about it, and in a sense set herself up for failure, even though she was dominating women's disc golf at the time.

Kristin seems much more methodical and process oriented. Her game was soild this weekend, but she could have improved on her C1x putting. I didn't watch enough to know if this related to her game, or to the course itself. The part I did watch, there were alot of death putts, drop offs and rollaways. So maybe strategy and the course dictated that running every putt was not the best strategy at North Boundary.

Not disagreeing at all. Just providing some context regarding Paige's goal of reaching a rating of 1000.

As you mentioned: at that time, Paige was dominating FPO. It wasn't unusual for her to win by double digits. With her winning world's literally every other year, and everyone else playing for 2nd, it's understandable if she needed something (other than simply winning), as motivation to elevate her game.

In that perspective, her quest to be the first 1000 rated female player makes a lot of sense.

Eventually, the field caught up with her, and here we are today. She's still one of the best players out there, and she's bound to get her wins. She's just not able to dominate the field the way she used to.

 

[@CD-]

Her rating took a big drop in the last update but i think she will jump up again next time. . but she Still IS the highest rated FPO player. . wonder if she can get close to Paiges all time high rating? - - Paige was close to be the first woman to get to a 1000 . . can Kristin take that step that Paige has not reached?

I am not sure if she will reach 1000. That seems like a high bench mark, and Paige crashed and burned when she approached that level. I don't have any numbers to back it up, but it seems that the FPO division overall has improved by leaps and bound over last few years, and we are seeing much higher ratings across the board these days.

Is it not enough for you for her to be dominating the FPO right now? I am curious where this is coming from. I have never heard Kristin talk about this being one of her goals, where as Paige was constantly talking about it, and in a sense set herself up for failure, even though she was dominating women's disc golf at the time.

I'm postulating the 'changes' needed for Tattar to surpass PP's record 996 for FPO and potentially reach 1000. This is a continued discussion around her recent rated rounds and how they will affect her next rating update.

Just dropping any non-Elite Series or Majors rounds from the past 12 months brings her rating up to ~990 (including Ledgestone/DMC/Worlds) with 33 rounds over 9 events counted.

If she was to go for the top FPO rating record it would be in Tattar's best interest to only play a subset of events on the US tour.
This would get her:

• the highest strength of field to compete against
• ratings pools would be isolated to the FPO layouts (European tournaments often use the same layout for MPO & FPO)
• each result could factor in more to her overall rating (less rated rounds factored in) - Pierce achieved 996 in March 2021 with only 39 rated rounds counting (most of 2020 tour's spring/summer events cancelled). Highest Pierce reached with a somewhat normal count was 990 in July 2021 with 63 rated rounds. On the MPO side, McBeth reached 1062 with only 36 rounds counting (also hit 1061 with 70 rounds and 1060 with 79 rounds)

I suspect Paige Pierce's primary motivation to achieve 1000 was to prove a FPO player could do it after she achieved 990. 1000 has long been a indicator for MPO players that they are consistent enough to be a scratch player and obtain sponsorships.

 

[RichS]

I don't really understand all the nuances of the rating system, 21 seems like a pretty big swing for 1 stroke.
I guess that means that on average, the field perform better the 2nd round?

Yes, the field average was 2.43 strokes lower on Day 2, so an even par 72 dropped from 960 to 944.

When the scores are submitted, processed, and finalized, I believe all 3 days will be on the same scale and those 2 days will likely be ~994 and ~987.

Key this weekend was her consistency. Others had a round that matched or bettered, but no one else could string it together for three days (66, 67, 67)

She looked dominant on course - extremely consistent and in control (4 bogies, no doubles).

 

[foxdawg10]

I'm postulating the 'changes' needed for Tattar to surpass PP's record 996 for FPO and potentially reach 1000. This is a continued discussion around her recent rated rounds and how they will affect her next rating update.

Just dropping any non-Elite Series or Majors rounds from the past 12 months brings her rating up to ~990 (including Ledgestone/DMC/Worlds) with 33 rounds over 9 events counted.

If she was to go for the top FPO rating record it would be in Tattar's best interest to only play a subset of events on the US tour.
This would get her:

• the highest strength of field to compete against
• ratings pools would be isolated to the FPO layouts (European tournaments often use the same layout for MPO & FPO)
• each result could factor in more to her overall rating (less rated rounds factored in) - Pierce achieved 996 in March 2021 with only 39 rated rounds counting (most of 2020 tour's spring/summer events cancelled). Highest Pierce reached with a somewhat normal count was 990 in July 2021 with 63 rated rounds. On the MPO side, McBeth reached 1062 with only 36 rounds counting (also hit 1061 with 70 rounds and 1060 with 79 rounds)

I suspect Paige Pierce's primary motivation to achieve 1000 was to prove a FPO player could do it after she achieved 990. 1000 has long been a indicator for MPO players that they are consistent enough to be a scratch player and obtain sponsorships.

Dang you are really taking thid ball and running with it, lol.

I still stand by my statement. Discussions in dgcr don't dictate a players strategy, only that player and their team can make that a priority or not

It was a relevant discussion for Paige only because she set that goal for herself. Discussions like this only serve to minimize Kristin's accomplishments by setting an imaginary higher goal, saying any accomplishment to date isn't really an accomplishment.

 

[SaROCaM]

Discussions like this only serve to minimize Kristin's accomplishments by setting an imaginary higher goal, saying any accomplishment to date isn't really an accomplishment.

Disagree with this. IMO it doesn't detract from any accomplishments, but is a testament to greatness.

It is like discussing how many more championships PP/McBeth can win. They are all-time greats and no one is minimizing their accomplishments. It is simply human nature (and competitive nature) to want to test boundaries, to see barriers be broken.

It is like watching an athlete like Sydney McLaughlin and wondering how low she can push the world record in the 400m hurdles, or wondering what her time would be in a straight up 400m. No one is minimizing her gold medals or records. They are recognizing her greatness and looking forward to the possibilities of what comes next.

I agree that as far as strategy in winning events, getting to 1000 rated isn't part of it, not is it a stated goal. It is like you said earlier though, how it is a scary thought for the rest of the field that she is capable of playing even better. That capacity for improvement plus the goal of winning could naturally lead to a 1000+ rating as a byproduct.

 

[muptonfish]

Discussions like this only serve to minimize Kristin's accomplishments by setting an imaginary higher goal, saying any accomplishment to date isn't really an accomplishment.

Edited: SaROCam said it much better than I did.

 

[wproct]

I still think that much of Kristin's strength is that she probably pays little heed to conversations like this one, but instead has her mind in the moment on each round that she plays. Life can be much more simple that way.:thmbup:

 

[BogeyNoMore]

I have to say any athlete, regardless the sport, that really pays attention to social/electronic media is likely doing themselves a disservice.

I get there's a benefit in reaching out to and staying in touch with fans, but the other edge of that sword can cut deep.

It's a delicate and tedious balancing act. Sometimes the only way to win the game is not to play it.

 

[SaROCaM]

I have to say any athlete, regardless the sport, that really pays attention to social/electronic media is likely doing themselves a disservice.

I get there's a benefit in reaching out to and staying in touch with fans, but the other edge of that sword can cut deep.

It's a delicate and tedious balancing act. Sometimes the only way to win the game is not to play it.

Social media is definitely a double-edged sword. Sometimes I think of athletes from another era and wonder how social media would have affected them. For example, think of the accounts of how Michael Jordan would get extra motivation from slights, whether real or perceived. Imagine what an intense competitor like Jordan would do in today's social media landscape.

Of course, not every great athlete operates that way, but there are quite a few who seem to thrive on it. Also, some may outwardly appear not to care but inwardly they relish the opportunity to "mog on someone." (I think that's something the cool kids on social media say.)

 

[ToddL]

Yes, the field average was 2.43 strokes lower on Day 2, so an even par 72 dropped from 960 to 944.

When the scores are submitted, processed, and finalized, I believe all 3 days will be on the same scale and those 2 days will likely be ~994 and ~987.

t-minus 4 hours until we all accuse you of hacking the system

 

[RichS]

t-minus 4 hours until we all accuse you of hacking the system

Guilty of being a quant/stats geek.

 

[Jolt]

Another +1000 round for Kristin and a new personal high rating of 987. .

Is 987 the 2nd highest rating ever for a woman?

 

[jenb]

At this rate she'll pass 1000 soon, and Blomroos again is right in her tail. If not for KT, HB would be all the talk now.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

To Henna's credit: she's the only player in position to really challenge Tattar.

Kind of makes you feel bad for Henna. She throws two, 1000 rated rounds, but she's still chasing Kristin. She's gotta be thinking, "What have I got to do?"

Placemats at Chinese restaurants need to be reprinted to show 2022 as, "The Year of the Tattar."