Discing down adventures.

[cfair]

I think "time" and "patience" are going to be my next steps.

HA! who's awesome... you're awesome. Time and practice suck...

 

[garublador]

I'm going to disagree here a bit. I think carrying a fairway prevents you from learning the most versatile and used disc in the game. Your putter. Now if your going to limit the use of putter, mid, and fairway to certain distances I can maybe understand but I think starting from ground zero and building up using transition points is the best option because it keeps you from trying to learn everything at once. With those 3 discs I'm trying to learn everything together. Working with putters first, then mids, then fairways you learn the elements you need to step by step by step and at each step you require less adjustments to make instead of trying to make them all at once because getting a 300+ putter throw isn't the same as a 300+ driver throw. The slower discs put the blinders on for you... but I suppose it is a preference...

I think the blinders are the problem. You can use the same motion to throw a putter, mid and fairway driver, but no one of the three will teach you everything you need to throw the others. Putters are intolerant of OAT, but will fly fine with the nose up. Fairway drivers will tolerate some OAT but require nose down. Mid are, well, right in the middle. There is a major deficiency in your throw unless you can throw all three.

I think the idea of throwing only putters and mids comes from the fact that uncontrolled OAT is such a common problem. They'll fix that problem, but are not optimal for teaching everything you need. They have the potential to introduce a new problem: nose angle. I'd rather just nip that in the bud and teach nose down and a clean throw simultaneously rather than someone having to rebuild their throw when they drastically disc down and then relearn again when they introduce fairway drivers. Given how well the hammer pound drills work there's no reason you can't learn both at once.

 

[cfair]

Given how well the hammer pound drills work there's no reason you can't learn both at once.

This might very well be true and time will tell with it. But I'm okay with learning the stuff step by step because we end up having to make minor adjustments when we learn everything together or spread apart. I would just rather get a base and build on that base (I feel like after learning to throw a mid properly you then just have to learn nose down better and make a couple small adjustments) instead of trying to adjust the whole thing.

I suppose I just like the compartmentalization of this process as apposed to trying to do it all at once, a crawl before you run approach I suppose. But the hammer drills may truly eliminate all of this. I know it is the intention of it but it hasn't been around long enough to tell yet.

 

[Feli]

I carry Beast and Boss, but I seldom break them out. Teebird and sometimes Starfire are still my go-to drivers, esp in games where it counts. Long drives are for your ego... not necessarily your overall course score.

 

[Technohic]

Since doing the hammer pound I feel like Im ready to speed up the motion and add a little reach back. Im thinking it might be easier to do that if I cut the X step out and focus on body rotation. I think Im half hitting now with my putters and when doing that, I got a little more distance out of them actually from a stand still than the X step and my wrist breaks harder, almost like whiplash.

It reminds me of throwing an anhyzer when in a tight spot only Im learning not to stop my arm and let it follow through in a plane, while my elbow and wrist do the snapping.

 

[Mike C]

I carry Beast and Boss, but I seldom break them out. Teebird and sometimes Starfire are still my go-to drivers, esp in games where it counts. Long drives are for your ego... not necessarily your overall course score.

So how would you go about getting an eagle on #1 blue tee at Deis Hill if long drives are just for the ego? Being able to throw far has it's place.

 

[cfair]

I get what feli is trying to say. But yes long drives have their place

 

[josiahv]

umm... 900+ ....
let's see 300 ft/ drive so...
3 drives plus 1 shank and 1 get out of trouble throw plus 1 approach and 3 putts equals....
quadruple bogie!!!

 

[Mike C]

umm... 900+ ....
let's see 300 ft/ drive so...
3 drives plus 1 shank and 1 get out of trouble throw plus 1 approach and 3 putts equals....
quadruple bogie!!!

On paper it looks easy to par (970 / 4 [1 stroke for the putt] = 242.5') but the elevation is tricky. Every single time I've seen someone drive the blue or white for the first time (Including me!) they always underestimate how much that right to left slope is going to make their disc fade, and end up in a bad spot on their first drive. Plus there is a hill in front of the basket, and a nasty wooded drop off if you throw your approach high and it fades out hard left.

Still, looking out from the white tee for my first time on that hole...that's the most memorable view I've ever had playing disc golf.

 

[Technohic]

On paper it looks easy to par (970 / 4 [1 stroke for the putt] = 242.5') but the elevation is tricky. Every single time I've seen someone drive the blue or white for the first time (Including me!) they always underestimate how much that right to left slope is going to make their disc fade, and end up in a bad spot on their first drive. Plus there is a hill in front of the basket, and a nasty wooded drop off if you throw your approach high and it fades out hard left.

Still, looking out from the white tee for my first time on that hole...that's the most memorable view I've ever had playing disc golf.

I have played that course once and I got a 4 from the white after going down that hill to the left. Yes, that was the worst move ever, but I was pleased that from being on the left side, I got 2 great "drives" going back up in a row and hit metal on that 3rd overall throw.

Was thrilled to get par but was very lucky.

 

[tom8658]

The other day, I was stting at work thinking about discs and the throwing thereof (for a change), and I started thinking about snap and how it relates to the "speed" of the disc.

My understanding is that the faster the disc, the more snap that it requires to fly with it's rated stability - since the discs are actually flying (as opposed falling, as in projectile motion), the actual airspeed of the disc isn't as important as how fast it is spinning. This is how the hammer pound and right pec drills are supposed to work, I think - they force you to learn what parts of the throwing motion accentuate the hammer pound and therefore produce more snap on the disc.

So my question is this - if, as some people have suggested, I should be working on trying to drive with my putters at full power, won't I eventually reach a point where I am snapping the putters too hard and constanly flipping them over, since I'm exceeding the "rated" speed of the putter?

If that's the case, how can you differentiate the flight of an extreme hyzer flip from the turning caused by OAT? It's not an issue right now, because I can actually see the disc wobble after I release it, but I'm guessing that a hyzer release with hard snap will flip over later and more gradually than an OAT release?

 

[BrotherDave]

Snap is to create spin which stabilizes the disc, it doesn't make them flippier. Spin creates lift. That's my understanding of it anyway. Here's some guys that explain better than I: Open Letter to ThreePutt and Garublador

 

[Technohic]

Yeah, you start getting into some of the physics of it, and Im going to give you a blank stare. I have my theories, but so did europe when they thought the world was flat.

 

[tom8658]

Snap is to create spin which stabilizes the disc, it doesn't make them flippier. Spin creates lift. That's my understanding of it anyway. Here's some guys that explain better than I: Open Letter to ThreePutt and Garublador

This is gold: http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2250

Thanks for the link!

 

[BrotherDave]

Yeah, you start getting into some of the physics of it, and Im going to give you a blank stare. I have my theories, but so did europe when they thought the world was flat.

Yeah, I've committed virtual suicide a few times in these physics threads. :\

This is gold: http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2250

Thanks for the link!

Here's another oldie but goody: Explanations of the Physics of flying discs

 

[FatBoy]

I went out to the course today, and I wasn't throwing too well to start. Beginning at the 11th hole i was throwing only my putter (champ Aviar). I only took me a couple holes, and I was throwing much better than I did on the front 9 (throwing mids). 3'd most holes on the back 9. and I was getting the putter out as far as I was my mids(about 200).

I think I'll throw all 27 with my putter next round. Then maybe I'll bring some mids back out. I think it might be a while before i throw drivers regularly.

How far should I be throwing my Mid range before I bring my drivers into the mix?

 

[Technohic]

Depends on what your goals are. Push them as far as you can until you decide to have some fun with drivers for a little bit, then go back to mids again later.

Just have fun.

 

[BrotherDave]

How far should I be throwing my Mid range before I bring my drivers into the mix?

Yeah, that's kind of a personal decision. If your drivers are out flying your mids by X number of feet (~25-30' or so) without sacrificing much control then I'd say it's safe to put the drivers back in. Just don't jump from mids to Nukes, that's a bit hasty.

Depending on how seriously you want to get better and increase your distance, you can either start throwing drivers after you push your mids out to 250-275' (with control, always) or out to 300'. Like I said, it depends on your goals. For a lot of players, putters @ 250', mids @ 275' and drivers @ 300'+ is perfectly reasonable and leaves you capable of scoring pretty well at most courses. People with "the touch" should be like 300', 350', 400'+ probably.

 

[FatBoy]

I always have fun discing, but I also like working towards a goal. I like the feeling of accomplishing goals I have set for myself. I would like to throw my drivers 300 eventually. That's a reachable goal (I hope).

Thanks for the advice. I will continue working with my putters and mids until I feel I have reached my goal. I will be satisfied with getting my mids out to 250ish. then I will slowly work up in speed. I don't think I will ever be throwing a nuke. I have a stratus, cyclone, and roadrunner, so I think those will be good to start with, in that order. My home course is pretty short so I think if I reach my goal for my mid ranges, I wont need to throw drivers much at all. I guess that is really my goal. not needing to rely on drivers for my home course, but being able to utilize them on the longer holes when I need them.

 

[Mike C]

Today was a good disced down day. I played two rounds at my home course (Arboretum), one from shorts and one from longs using my Wizards. I've done the shorts this way before and some of the longs, but a lot of the long tees I'd never driven with a putter.

It put things into perspective. I actually shot better overall than I have a lot of times with my full bag, from both sets of tees. With a lot of the long tees, I was surprised at how close my Wizard drives for coming to shots where I normally use a Stalker, Predator, Buzz or Orc. I was losing out on distance but it was much easier keeping my shots controlled and hitting gaps, like hole 3 long.

I also got a lot of backhand roller practice in today, rolling 4 and 9 long, two holes I thought would make good roller holes but felt too tight around the teepad for me to want to try one. Didn't practice FH upshots and drives as much as I should of. Still working on that, but I had some nice FH hyzers around 100-120' that never flattened out, so they're getting better. I've developed a decent FH approach shot with my Buzz but I still showed a tendency to turn over putter FH shots with any power behind them. I don't know what a realistic goal to set is but I'd like to be able to FH my Wizards 200' at least.