Marmoset
* Ace Member *
yeah. I'm sitting here with one of each and I think it is a Cobra, too. The newer Cobras have different tooling underneath but the older ones are identical to your photo.
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[Innova] The mythical Innova ROC
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jcassidy1990
Reptilian Disc Golf
hugheshilton
* Ace Member *
Isn't that just a bog standard Star Rancho Roc? I mean, it sounds like you got a "good" one in that it's not super domey, but otherwise what makes it a remake? Just the fact that Innova doesn't print many of these anymore? I'm pretty sure they still do limited runs and there's still lots of old stock out there at retailers that's been sitting around forever.
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
Innova attempted to replicate the 01 CE Rocs with the run Jamie's referencing. They were produced in incredibly limited numbers. There is a bog standard Star Rancho. They're the domey turds everyone else is mentioning.
And thanks for the correction, 3P. I feel stupid not remembering that even the X-out USDGC Rocs get USDGC stamps.
Hey, I'm just glad I know what it is now. Never handled an ontario roc, so I wasn't sure how much different the mold was than a rancho. It definitely felt like a roc, but a little less bulky.
How could you tell so easily?
Lurp Nuts
* Ace Member *
Well f*** me.
Two things, as tbird888 mentioned I've never seen a USDGC Roc with a regular X-Out stamp. The only Champ Ontario's I remember were USDGC Rocs.
For me though the true tell was the tooling. I'm old enough to remember back when Innova discs had no underside markings beside the weight. Custom stamped discs often had an ink stamp on the underside telling you the mold, but that was hit or miss. One of the easiest disc confusion combinations was the Cobra and ORoc, they have a lot of similarities. The tooling is different, though. The last number in the zip code of the ORoc tooling is kinda under the "s" in discs while the last number of the zip code of the Cobra tooling is outside of the comma after discs. Back in the day if was just an easy thing to remember if you were not great at noticing the other differences, which I wasn't. Tooling was your easy ID until about the mid-90's when all the Rancho tooling started to look the same.
pjhayes7
Double Eagle Member
Profile please. Let us know how it throws if you don't choose to keep it pristine.
Wow, thanks for that info! Very cool to know. Now where do I find some more of these flat champ cobras?! Since we are in the roc thread, I have three Ontarios on the way
Has anyone throw the somewhat recent run of Ontario's with the Roc on America stamp? Not sure when they were released, but I feel like maybe in the last year?
hugheshilton
* Ace Member *
I remember that run being made but I couldn't figure out why JCass was sure his was one of those since the stamp is exactly the same as a regular Star Rancho Roc and he bought it at PIAS (and it's true that a lot of Star Ranchos are domey turds, but I've owned and handled a few that had nice, even domes as well). Anyway, I had to look it up, but apparently the pen of just the "*" on the bottom is the key to knowing it's an 01 remake (as well as being flatter and gummy, but those are both more subjective and not sure indicators). Gotta learn something new every day right?
jcassidy1990
Reptilian Disc Golf
I intend on selling it to buy more stock plastic. I despise throwing anything hard to replace.
Here's the profile...
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pjhayes7
Double Eagle Member
Yeah, I am the same way. Great finds are used to finance more plastic that is intended to be thrown. Great looking disc by the way and great find.
hugheshilton
* Ace Member *
Yeah I don't like throwing discs that I can't replace for a reasonable price either. Most discs that I can sell for more than $30 get sold. There are still discs that are hard to replace, but mostly just because they're worn in to a certain point, not because the replacement would be expensive.
*jumps up on soapbox*
I'D THROW THAT ROC!!! If it flies like a great Roc, you don't need another Star Roc like it. I'd just replace it with another great Roc. Champ, KC Pro, DX...you can replace it. Just maybe not with Star plastic.
*soapbox collapses because I need to go on a diet*
I'D THROW THAT ROC!!! If it flies like a great Roc, you don't need another Star Roc like it. I'd just replace it with another great Roc. Champ, KC Pro, DX...you can replace it. Just maybe not with Star plastic.
*soapbox collapses because I need to go on a diet*
dehaas
* Ace Member *
I used to be OCD with buying everything in identical pairs but realistically don't play enough to wear out premium plastic anymore. And putters and mids rarely get lost.
But yeah a premium rancho will last forever.
But yeah a premium rancho will last forever.
You can sell it to me. For realz.
All these people posting that they have good Star Rancho Rocs caused me to make a special trip to a disc store. Eight Star Rancho Rocs, all of them with domes so big that if you set them on astroturf a football game would break out underneath. :|
I feel deceived.
I feel deceived.
Mason65
Eagle Member
tbird888
Salient Disc Test Team
There are good and bad in every run. DX in general has been really good lately, but you still want to fondle before you buy.
I saw some really good DX Rocs today. I didn't need any because I found some really good DX Rocs this summer. It's a good time to go DX Roc hunting. :thmbup:
