I looked at our local surplus store, and all they had were the Y types, which wouldn't work on either my Fade Tourney, or my previous Innova Deluxe. I found some cool looking H types online, but between the price for the straps, and shipping, I may as well get the Phenix Quads. I wish my local store had some of the H's, because I like to touch and feel new to me stuff before I buy. I even asked an ex-military friend who's now a cop where I might find some locally, and he said it might be tough, because the military hasn't used them in 10 or 12 years, and the Y's were much more common.