Battle For Bedford

[Steve West]

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6: McBeth said he aimed for this hole to be the hardest hole in the world and surpass his friend Heinold's hole 12 at Northwoods. I don't think he achieved it, but I haven't played NW 12.
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I'd say he did, based on how 1000-rated players scored. #6 had an insignificantly higher exact par, and a higher average score.

 

[Ryan P.]

I'd say he did, based on how 1000-rated players scored. #6 had an insignificantly higher exact par, and a higher average score.

What's the average rating of the 1000 rated player and the distribution of those players at each event? If you really want to get down and dirty, what's the expected score of someone rated exactly 1000 on each hole?

I'm also interested in how the OB plays into the average score, but idk if we have that data for New London Tech. NW Black hole 12 had 2 OB strokes this year over 2 rounds with about 160 players per round (no clue about how many of those are 1000 rated). I'd be confident that at least one player had two OB strokes while playing hole 6 at New London Tech this weekend; probably someone did it twice in one day.

I also don't know how we should count OB into "most difficult holes." You've made me rethink how I consider hole difficulty with your par ideas.

 

[Steve West]

What's the average rating of the 1000 rated player and the distribution of those players at each event? If you really want to get down and dirty, what's the expected score of someone rated exactly 1000 on each hole?

I'm also interested in how the OB plays into the average score, but idk if we have that data for New London Tech. NW Black hole 12 had 2 OB strokes this year over 2 rounds with about 160 players per round (no clue about how many of those are 1000 rated). I'd be confident that at least one player had two OB strokes while playing hole 6 at New London Tech this weekend; probably someone did it twice in one day.

I also don't know how we should count OB into "most difficult holes." You've made me rethink how I consider hole difficulty with your par ideas.

Here are the values for someone rated exactly 1000. OB is too hard to get. The difference between Exact Par and Average is Trouble of all kinds.

Have fun.

New London Tech
Hole|Length|Exact Par|Average
 1      393     2.78     2.92
 2      977     4.70     5.15
 3      384     2.69     2.75
 4      287     2.67     2.74
 5      707     3.67     3.93
 6     1275     5.76     6.57
 7      758     4.12     4.62
 8      585     3.89     4.25
 9     1234     4.61     4.96
10      444     2.57     2.55
11      590     3.91     4.35
12      344     2.73     2.80
13      527     3.67     3.89
14      390     2.70     2.78
15      668     3.74     4.05
16      435     2.95     3.13
17      713     4.24     4.79
18      872     4.07     4.42

Northwood Black
Hole|Length|Exact Par|Average
 1      455     2.95     3.19
 2      580     3.81     4.18
 3      604     3.95     4.40
 4      637     3.83     4.23
 5      451     3.60     3.77
 6      947     5.01     5.73
 7      325     2.79     2.94
 8      389     3.03     3.25
 9      732     4.07     4.54
10      400     2.90     3.06
11      380     3.05     3.33
12     1080     5.71     6.42
13      653     4.03     4.64
14      893     5.71     6.36
15      650     3.76     4.15
16      330     2.70     2.79
17      320     2.80     2.90
18      703     4.24     4.81

 

[Ryan P.]

Here are the values for someone rated exactly 1000. OB is too hard to get. The difference between Exact Par and Average is Trouble of all kinds.

Have fun.

Thanks!

 

[EarthRocker]

I hope to one day care enough about Par to be able to intelligently discuss all the factors that go into how it's determined, and whether it's deemed to be fair or not...

When I play, whether casual or tournaments, and someone asks what par is, I shrug hugely and say something like, "I dunno. Doesn't matter. It's aggregate score, people. You need to shoot a lower number than I do. The object, lest anyone forgot, is to get it into the basket in the least number of shots. Par, ha! Who cares?"

But you'uns up in here make me at least want to pretend I care. Baby steps.

 

[Ryan P.]

I hope to one day care enough about Par to be able to intelligently discuss all the factors that go into how it's determined, and whether it's deemed to be fair or not...

When I play, whether casual or tournaments, and someone asks what par is, I shrug hugely and say something like, "I dunno. Doesn't matter. It's aggregate score, people. You need to shoot a lower number than I do. The object, lest anyone forgot, is to get it into the basket in the least number of shots. Par, ha! Who cares?"

But you'uns up in here make me at least want to pretend I care. Baby steps.

(Posted) Par is irrelevant to almost all players. All it says is that a pro can expect to score par on that hole. The ability to fairly evaluate one's skills, their lie, and the hole in a way that they can set par for themselves from every lie is incredibly helpful for every player.

 

[rjnoodlearm]

But you'uns up in here make me at least want to pretend I care. Baby steps.

I care about par only so far as its a useful metric to judge my performance. As it currently stands how par is treated is all over the map course to course. Many softer courses have 18 par 3s when players rated 950 or above should pretty much always get a 2 on a majority of the holes.

 

[Steve West]

I care about par only so far as its a useful metric to judge my performance. As it currently stands how par is treated is all over the map course to course. Many softer courses have 18 par 3s when players rated 950 or above should pretty much always get a 2 on a majority of the holes.

And I can dunk on a PlaySkool basketball hoop. That doesn't mean the kids should not get their two points when they make a shot.