ironmon
Bogey Member
did you play at Giles?
the first and second rounds at both venues started
almost at the exact same times 9:30 and 2-2:30
no lunch was provided at either tourney.
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Cinco de Flop at Giles Run
- Thread starter KniceZ
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did you play at Giles?
the first and second rounds at both venues started
almost at the exact same times 9:30 and 2-2:30
no lunch was provided at either tourney.
jcrab66
Double Eagle Member
:thmbup:good advice, i always do this if going to play an unfamiliar course with multiple pads / pins, it has never prevented me from playing but it has always helped me to establish the proper expectation before getting to the tourney
jrawk
* Ace Member *
KniceZ made some kick-butt waffles for us that saturday morning
But these two events shouldn't be compared. The Mid-Atlantic Meet is basically casual play with benefits.
RastaFish
Newbie
Some TD's are known for running tournaments that are very am-friendly. Some are equally well known for just the opposite. Although I have been playing disc golf for a very long time, I am an amateur and have no plans to change that. I avoid tournaments that I expect will be less than am-friendly, which is why I (and many others I know) skipped the Giles Cinco de Mayo altogether.
aPfaff
Double Eagle Member
jrawk
* Ace Member *
That ten was me
Okay so if you gotta do the snowman dance when you get an 8.... what do you do when you get a 10?
FredVegasDGC
Double Eagle Member
Okay so if you gotta do the snowman dance when you get an 8.... what do you do when you get a 10?
You put on a one piece and corn row your hair and run down the beach like Bo Derek....
ironmon
Bogey Member
As TD of all the NoVa Disc Golf Tournaments. I run very AM-friendly tournaments - The AM event value at the Cinco was 167% !
I challenge you to find anything better.
I can fully understand if you skipped the Cinco because the Giles is
intimidating - But if you are looking for AM friendly tornament you missed a good one.
sidenote: I'm really holding back with the verbage on this thread - I actually find the arrogance of recreational players that feel entitled to the moon at PDGA sanctioned events to be imbecils. and as it was said earlier - Yeah, you might as well go buy beer and play somewhere else with your friends... Because we all know that's doing wonders for the image of disc golf.
Roger - next time you have an issue with one of my tournaments, why don't you come talk to me and we can resolve the issue instead of lambasting a tournament I worked my ass off on and you didnt even finsh to a Nation-wide Message Board
FredVegasDGC
Double Eagle Member
I was asked why I didn't play Cinco...
I knew better from all the info I got Giles is not a friendly course for Rec division with the monster brier bushes and OB on every hole. I was told to expect to lose a few discs. There was no way my first round at this course was going to be in a tourney.
I decided to pass and go to the Sherando event instead.
Everyone I talked that went to the Cinco event liked the event but they all had the same comment of it seemed to take forever to play. Not that it was anyone's fault. Me personally I like to play slow. But most players hate sitting on a tee waiting for the hole to clear.
The second round at the Spartan I was in the last group behind the top open card. They played slow but I didn't mind at all because I got to watch then play.
I knew better from all the info I got Giles is not a friendly course for Rec division with the monster brier bushes and OB on every hole. I was told to expect to lose a few discs. There was no way my first round at this course was going to be in a tourney.
I decided to pass and go to the Sherando event instead.
Everyone I talked that went to the Cinco event liked the event but they all had the same comment of it seemed to take forever to play. Not that it was anyone's fault. Me personally I like to play slow. But most players hate sitting on a tee waiting for the hole to clear.
The second round at the Spartan I was in the last group behind the top open card. They played slow but I didn't mind at all because I got to watch then play.
KniceZ
Double Eagle Member
What do mean by "event value"?
Sorry you took my comments as imbecilic and arrogant. I thought most of my comments were not harshly worded or demanding. In fact if you go back and read all my comment i repeatedly complimented and recognized the hard work that obviously went into hosting the event.
I would have made my comments directly if there was someone at the table when I finished the first round. But I made the decision to play a quick solo round (to get a second opinion of Giles) rather than getting some lunch and I didn't quit get finished before the second round started. I have only done two other sanctioned events (Hawk Hallow and Loriella Challenge) and wanted to post on here to get feedback on the norm.
Finally I'll apologize if you have taken personal offense - I intended this to be an opportunity to provide feedback from a NOOB perspective, not to lambast or attack you.
ironmon
Bogey Member
Well you thought wrong!
Read the title you choose to enlighten the world on a national forum of your "NOOB" experience. Every point you complained about was in error, except the fact that there was a backup on the holes and that was a factor of the Int. div playing a much shorter layout. Had the MA2 division played the L2L layout we may still be waiting for your card.
If there is a silver lining out of all this it's the attention of that backup. It is a serious issue and I think we will be able to design around that for future tournaments at Giles by having separate AM and Pro days. It's unfortunate, as a TD I would like to include Pros and Am in one general tournament but if a course has a wide separation of skill level like Giles it only lead to problems (like this one). Live and Learn
Read the title you choose to enlighten the world on a national forum of your "NOOB" experience. Every point you complained about was in error, except the fact that there was a backup on the holes and that was a factor of the Int. div playing a much shorter layout. Had the MA2 division played the L2L layout we may still be waiting for your card.
If there is a silver lining out of all this it's the attention of that backup. It is a serious issue and I think we will be able to design around that for future tournaments at Giles by having separate AM and Pro days. It's unfortunate, as a TD I would like to include Pros and Am in one general tournament but if a course has a wide separation of skill level like Giles it only lead to problems (like this one). Live and Learn
Frolffiend
Newbie
I started playing about 6 months ago and have been lurking on here for a while. this statement has put a really sour taste in my mouth about the whole tournament experience and what Tournament leaders are really thinking. you say "recreational" like its a bad thing. some of us are new but that doesnt mean we are imbecils because we want some value for our money. think before u alienate a large population of the sport, especially if you want us to keep coming to your tournaments.
I think you might have taken the term "recreational" wrong.
Recreational players do not volunteer to help out but are most times the first to complain.
At least that's how I took it.
Frolffiend
Newbie
It sounded pretty condescending to me. I think we expect a great experience because we are basically paying for that. even if we do well we just win marked up discs anyways. so while paying to play a course that I can normally just play, yes, I do expect some value, other than 4.5 hr rds.
I can understand it could have sounded that way.
Please understand, the weekend of a tournament the TD has all kinds of things going on that he/she needs to stay on top of. They have been spending all their spare time working for this weekend while at the same time taking care of family and job.
They are not really in the mood for any complaints, I've been there myself.
Just look at it from their point of view, please. They're volunteers.
Frolffiend
Newbie
I get it. I know its work. I just think as a Tournament leader one should set an example of tact and couth. If I were a business owner, the last thing i would do is call my customer an arrogant imbecile. and definitely not in a public forum where others who may have been thinking about buying from me are reading to see what my product is all about. It is never ok to berate your customer base. no matter how dumb their statements may be.
I agree completely. But a volunteer has no "customers".
Besides, you should hear the tone of these whiners at the tournament. They feel quite entitled most times.
Don't get me wrong, valid problems need to be addressed but it would be best if the complainers used better tact and tone.
RastaFish
Newbie
Keep in mind that many people don't even bother to complain, knowing the vitriol and condescending attitude that will be directed at them for daring to have an opinion which differs from that of the TD (or at least some TD's, certainly not all of them by any stretch). The Cinco de Mayo at Giles event didn't draw very well, despite the obviously large amount of course prep and other work that went into preparing for it. Perhaps this is due to the fact that the "complainers" not only have some valid points but that there are plenty of others who agree with them and simply avoid tournaments run by people who view them as "imbecils" (the irony of his misspelling of this word is so delicious).
My personal opinion is that douchebags are much worse for the sport of disc golf than the so-called "imbecil" recreational players. I may be an amateur, but I definitely am not a noob!
My personal opinion is that douchebags are much worse for the sport of disc golf than the so-called "imbecil" recreational players. I may be an amateur, but I definitely am not a noob!
aPfaff
Double Eagle Member
^Come on now Tom is definitly not a Douchebag. He does try to promote the sport. He even got an award last year at the challenge for promoting the sport. Tom's a nice guy and for you to start name calling what are you a grade school student.
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