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Disc Golf Country Club

One of the biggest problems with this is that there are already a lot of established courses that are quite good and charge no fee to play. Personally, I prefer to play a variety of different courses and not just stick with one single course so even if I were to become a member I would probably only play the course a couple times a month (I only play on weekends to begin with) because 1) there are other good courses in my area and 2) they are closer. I still haven't been out to the Dripping Springs Country Club DGC because there are so many other great courses in the area that don't charge 10 dollars to play. It's not that I can't afford it, it's just that the are better options available.
 
One of the biggest problems with this is that there are already a lot of established courses that are quite good and charge no fee to play. Personally, I prefer to play a variety of different courses and not just stick with one single course so even if I were to become a member I would probably only play the course a couple times a month (I only play on weekends to begin with) because 1) there are other good courses in my area and 2) they are closer. I still haven't been out to the Dripping Springs Country Club DGC because there are so many other great courses in the area that don't charge 10 dollars to play. It's not that I can't afford it, it's just that the are better options available.

I grew up in Austin and I agree that there are tons of great free courses. Austin is good like that. What we are talking about with the multiple tees and pin placements will have ever changing courses and looks at the green. In my humble opinion, the camaraderie and sense that you are a part of the course and club are well worth the monthly dues (not to mention the amazing courses). Also it's a great place to get away from the wife and play cards or ping pong on crappy weather days. We are seriously basing this on a ball golf country club atmosphere but with a laid back feel.
 
I was throwing around ideas with some of my friends the other day, how many people would have any interest in a private club, semi high end, something like 50 dollars a month membership. Snack bar, club tourneys, etc. loosely based on a ball golf country club, but without all the WASP a-holes. Situated within about 30 miles from a major metro area. Maybe this type of place already exists but I am unaware of such a thing. I mainly want to see if this is idea appealing to anyone but me and my buddies. Thanks for any input yall can provide. Happy throwing.

Sadly, any private club has to take out insane liability insurance, so $50/month wouldn't even cover that unless you had enough people to make it super crowded on all but the coldest day. Plus, the word "private" brings out the a-holes.

I'm not trying to cut you down but the slippery slope of commercialism comes with a pit full of alligators at the bottom. Hell, look at Reggae music. How much better did it sound back in the days of Yellowman and the early Marley?

Z
 
The only way people will pay $50.00 per month to play instead of going to one of the dozens of free courses is if the pay to play is an awesome course. If it's an average course, even with three tees and three pins per hole, it will crash and burn fast.
 
zensuit...you just made three VERY assumptive comments.
1.Sadly, any private club has to take out insane liability insurance - are you in the insurance business? What is classified as insane? And where do you live? Laws vary state to state and city to city, as do insurance requirements. They have a business plan, I'm sure this has been considered.
2. 50/month wouldn't even cover that unless you had enough people to make it super crowded on all but the coldest day - Yes, it seems like they are wanting to make money at this (heaven forbid we hear about a success story in disc golf, that'd be just awful huh), which means critical mass. Tee times and two courses...no one is going to wait....I'd pay the $50 just to get a tee time whenever I wanted to. And 250 members at $50 a month is $12,500...a good start on any debt service.
3.Plus, the word "private" brings out the a-holes. - And simultaneously removes the meth heads and douche bags. Either way it's an assumption on your part and has no real validity. I hope they get it built!
 
Man this economy must have everyone in the dumps! This is the coolest idea I have heard in years and all you guys can come up with is negative stuff to try to shoot the idea down. Even if they were just kicking tires, isn't it fun to imagine a place like this? I thought most of the people on here smoke enough pot to at least have some fun with the idea. Go get em tstockt!
 
I may be off on the number and I hope it isn't confidential but I heard Circle R ranch in Wimberley pays $20,000 for insurance per year to be open as a pay to play course. That is why it isn't open at the moment...
 
oh, and another number I recall hearing is if you wanted to start a disc golf club, a city near Dallas requires the club entity to have 1 million in liability insurance. If you were going to do things like work days on city park property.
 
I like the idea of a pro shop and snack bar, but, have you planned for utilities? Getting electrical and water to this site might be costly, if it doesn't already have it. Is this virgin land? A dirt/gravel road/parking lot might be a cheap solution in the beginning, but with inclement weather, might become a PITA.

Tell us more about your site and plan, this will help with more ideas.
 
Man this economy must have everyone in the dumps! This is the coolest idea I have heard in years and all you guys can come up with is negative stuff to try to shoot the idea down. Even if they were just kicking tires, isn't it fun to imagine a place like this? I thought most of the people on here smoke enough pot to at least have some fun with the idea. Go get em tstockt!

Not trying to throw cold water on it---just a little cold math. I'd LOVE to see it work. I don't see how it can. I've nothing against daydreaming ("What'll I do if I win the lottery?....").

250 disc golfers willing to pay $600 per year is a lot of disc golfers. Admittedly, $12,500 per month would go a long way. Whether 250 players all demanding time on "their" course would be a crowd, I'm not sure.

Does this plan include paid staff to maintain the course, run the snack bar & grill, check attendance, etc.? That'll eat into revenue.
 
zensuit...you just made three VERY assumptive comments.
1.Sadly, any private club has to take out insane liability insurance - are you in the insurance business? What is classified as insane? And where do you live? Laws vary state to state and city to city, as do insurance requirements. They have a business plan, I'm sure this has been considered.
2. 50/month wouldn't even cover that unless you had enough people to make it super crowded on all but the coldest day - Yes, it seems like they are wanting to make money at this (heaven forbid we hear about a success story in disc golf, that'd be just awful huh), which means critical mass. Tee times and two courses...no one is going to wait....I'd pay the $50 just to get a tee time whenever I wanted to. And 250 members at $50 a month is $12,500...a good start on any debt service.
3.Plus, the word "private" brings out the a-holes. - And simultaneously removes the meth heads and douche bags. Either way it's an assumption on your part and has no real validity. I hope they get it built!

Wow, nice attack. Yes, I do have experience in dealing with almost every aspect of this kind of venture. I'm not sure why you are taking offense at what I said, but assuming it isn't just because you felt like getting nasty, I'll play along.

Frankly, your opening statement that I made assumptive statements was completely assumptive on your part. My statements were based on my involvement with two very successful ball golf courses that attempted to change their charter and move into the private business model. Both struggled for the three reasons stated above. Two different states yet both courses had very expensive liability insurance costs that helped to push their monthly fees up from their initial forecast and closed out quite a few potential members.

An awful lot of the folks I meet at the local public course are terrific, hard-working people who might be able to pay the membership fee. Interestingly enough, it's rare to find meth heads, and although it does smell an awful lot like Willie Nelson is playing a round on most Saturdays, even the chronic squad is polite and welcoming. When my son and I go to play there he always says how much he enjoys the mix of folks he meets. One of the great things about Disc Golf is that it welcomes with open arms anybody who wants to throw. I'm not against a private club at all. But if you don't think exclusivity breeds contempt and selfishness you must not have been watching the class divide in this country widen over the previous 8 years.

I'm not sure what touched you off but I hope the rest of your day is an improvement. I never said I hoped they didn't build a course. I was answering, honestly and without rancor, the question.

Love,

Z
 
I didn't realize this would turn into a quarrel. Settle down everyone. We have factored in the insurance costs and the utilities will already be in place. To start we will probably only employ one or two people fulltime.

We will have posted signage with club rules and regulations. No drugs, must wear shirts in clubhouse, etc. That being said, I am a realist and have no doubt that small clouds may waft about here and there in the wooded areas.
 
I'm thinking a private club would raise initial cash via a membership fee (maybe $500 x # members) and also an annual fee ($200 per year?). Memberships sold after the initial buy-in period would be at a higher rate, perhaps, to reflect previous investment by the membership. The initial membership cash would cover getting things running (down payment on land, equipment, course development, a building or two), the annual fees (plus food/beverages, guest's green fees, pro shop sales etc) would cover operating and staff expenses. Ideally, there's be a sweat equity requirement so all members would work a few hours a month to help with overhead costs. That's how I'd run the zoo.

Joe
 
No land could be bought up here for that kind of money maybe land is cheap in TX I dont know!
 
love the idea! When you need an architect to take care of your clubhouse facilities. Call me - I'll swing you a deal to help make it happen! I'd love to be part of the dream baby!:cool:
 
And when you need to hire a full time groundskeeper let me know. I own a landscape company now, and have 10 years experience working as a Golf Course Supertinedent. I would like to be the first Disc Golf Course Superintendent.
 
Do the numbers. Ask a private course owner how much they'd have to collect to cover all the expenses, including land purchase and building construction. Then add the cost of staff. Think of how many $50s it would take to pay for this. Then imagine going to a bank to arrange financing.[/QUOTE]

Now, that's funny in a good economy, and downright hilarious in 2009 !

You want to borrow money to do what ?
The best post that I have read so far. I love the sport, but I don't think some people understand how much it would cost to upkeep and staff these facilities. There would be no public funding or land like many of the free park courses we all play now. Just to staff one person full time would be $16,000 (min wage, loaded with workers comp etc...). You need 27 members just to pay for that employee. And I would think you need more staff. Plus Land, facility expense, Licenses, Utilites, Water. The average country club membership (and granted the facilities are much larger and expensive to maintain) is somewhere between $5000+ per year. The reason I say plus is that the tiers are quite numerous. At the low end you have restricted privlages and you pay for every round of golf! The highend members at a small country club can be $10, 20, 50, 100K depending on the exclusivity of the club. Obviously a DG CC would be much lower.
 
I talked to tstockt privately last night and gained a little insight into their plan.

The land is handled, and they have a much bigger scope and plan than is divulged here. From what I understand, this is gonna be bigger than the OJ case. I was sworn to secrecy on some details, but at the end of all the phases, it is gonna be a full scale professionally designed 36 hole course, practice range, 3 basket practice putting area, decked out pro shop, grille and patio, concrete parking lot, nicely landscaped throughout, 3 guest villas, and the biggest part I cannot speak on, but I assure you is a first for disc golf. These guys are on in and gonna help take the game to a different level. I obviously don't know all the details, but what they have proposed and planned out is nothing short of remarkable.

The figures I have seen on here membership wise don't come close to what they are thinking....which is 250+ from the jump and cap out at 500. Anyways, just thought I'd share what I could on the topic.
 
Wow, nice attack. Yes, I do have experience in dealing with almost every aspect of this kind of venture. I'm not sure why you are taking offense at what I said, but assuming it isn't just because you felt like getting nasty, I'll play along.

Frankly, your opening statement that I made assumptive statements was completely assumptive on your part. My statements were based on my involvement with two very successful ball golf courses that attempted to change their charter and move into the private business model. Both struggled for the three reasons stated above. Two different states yet both courses had very expensive liability insurance costs that helped to push their monthly fees up from their initial forecast and closed out quite a few potential members.

An awful lot of the folks I meet at the local public course are terrific, hard-working people who might be able to pay the membership fee. Interestingly enough, it's rare to find meth heads, and although it does smell an awful lot like Willie Nelson is playing a round on most Saturdays, even the chronic squad is polite and welcoming. When my son and I go to play there he always says how much he enjoys the mix of folks he meets. One of the great things about Disc Golf is that it welcomes with open arms anybody who wants to throw. I'm not against a private club at all. But if you don't think exclusivity breeds contempt and selfishness you must not have been watching the class divide in this country widen over the previous 8 years.

I'm not sure what touched you off but I hope the rest of your day is an improvement. I never said I hoped they didn't build a course. I was answering, honestly and without rancor, the question.

Love,

Z

Z - Wasn't sour at you buddy...just had a different take on the topic. I've been wanting something like this to happen for a while and couldn't believe the focus got shifted towards the deal structure or what have you and not the idea itself, which is amazing. No beef here buddy, just support for a great idea.
 
Z - Wasn't sour at you buddy...just had a different take on the topic. I've been wanting something like this to happen for a while and couldn't believe the focus got shifted towards the deal structure or what have you and not the idea itself, which is amazing. No beef here buddy, just support for a great idea.

No harm done. I didn't want to appear "assumptive" and I get where you are coming from. Now to the important stuff, it's the weekend and the weather is supposed to be mighty fine.
 

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