Drills/Advice for turning too early?

[hankditton]

I've been consistently struggling with turning too early in the throw - I know this is the biggest thing I need to work on when I look at my own form. It's proving to be very hard muscle memory to break.

Watching the pros (e.g. Simon), it's clear they stay looking dead at the target, shoulders and hips closed and pointing perfectly 90 degrees off the target line all the way through until their weight is back on the x-step foot.

I am consistently starting to open up my shoulders and coil as my x-step is coming across - turning my head early and I know it's causing me to have issues with leaning, rounding, and losing power as I have to move the disc around to the right spot before anything else.

Just hoping anyone out there has any specific drills, tips, or advice on working through this specific issue.

 

[sidewinder22]

Three options...

1. The full pendulum pump and backswing like Feldy really helped me.

2. Open to Closed Drill or the old school Uli crow hop also helped.

3. Keep the disc in place and move your body around it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwy1HNMfhbk#t=6m57s

 

[gwsmallwood]

In Uli's 1st video in his scratch-to-scratch series on YouTube, he talks about linking up the throwing arm with the trailing foot, including a pump move during the x-step. He mentioned in that video that one of the reasons he teaches that is to prevent people from reaching back too early. I struggle with early rotation, over rotation, shoulders too open, whatever you want to call it. I suspect the reason for that starts much earlier in the development of the motion than most people think. As in, reach back too early, open up too early, release too far right of intended line.

I do think some form of pendulum swing can help. It's not a cure-all, but I believe I'm much more consistent that way. You just have to make sure your pendulum is swinging wide enough that you don't end up rounding because your body is in the way of your disc when you bring it through.

 

[blayed]

Three options...

Is this gif the open-closed drill in practice? Ive done the drill itself like you demonstrate in the video but never seen it paired with an actual throw.

 

[hankditton]

Three options...

1. The full pendulum pump and backswing like Feldy really helped me.

2. Open to Closed Drill or the old school Uli crow hop also helped.

3. Keep the disc in place and move your body around it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwy1HNMfhbk#t=6m57s

Thank you for the reply! I'll definitely experiment with adding a pendulum/pump.

For the Open to Closed Drill do you have a video on that drill? I didn't see it in the linked videos.

I haven't had much luck developing a feel for keeping the disc in place in line with my backfoot. What I actually tend to do is get the disc where my plant foot is when I start the x-step - and keep it very well in place right there!

 

[Brychanus]

Thank you for the reply! I'll definitely experiment with adding a pendulum/pump.

For the Open to Closed Drill do you have a video on that drill? I didn't see it in the linked videos.

I haven't had much luck developing a feel for keeping the disc in place in line with my backfoot. What I actually tend to do is get the disc where my plant foot is when I start the x-step - and keep it very well in place right there!

OtC Drill:
https://youtu.be/qwy1HNMfhbk?t=417

 

[Mocheez]

Three options...

2. Open to Closed Drill or the old school Uli crow hop also helped.

I think a lot of beginners would benefit from starting with #2 before advancing to the x-step. The x-step does more harm than good in most cases.

 

[semisensei]

Thank you for the reply! I'll definitely experiment with adding a pendulum/pump.

For the Open to Closed Drill do you have a video on that drill? I didn't see it in the linked videos.

I haven't had much luck developing a feel for keeping the disc in place in line with my backfoot. What I actually tend to do is get the disc where my plant foot is when I start the x-step - and keep it very well in place right there!

I've been fighting the same bad habit! For some reason, even when I focus on a forward pump, I tend to keep the disc over my right foot going into the x-step, causing it to be too far behind me going into the stride.

One trick that has helped me is trying an Eagle style left hand pump through the x-step- this helps keep my shoulders in line to target longer.

https://youtu.be/5_tQE0N9RHY

First shot of Eagle in the link above. Imagine tying a string between your left hand and your left foot. I've found this also really helps me stay "inside the frame" and feels like I can leverage a swim move better as a result.

 

[hankditton]

For anyone else that finds this thread - Brodie and Ezra actually talk about this in their most recent practice round from yesterday https://youtu.be/a1JznWZwIdc?t=339

Brodie is trying to correct the same thing by changing his run up. Ezra mentions what helped him was essentially trying to keep your body facing straight at the target during the run-up/x-step - which of course you won't be able to do but it will prevent turning back early and hopefully keep them closed.