allbirdbag
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Looking for help on my tee shot / driving form.
My typical controlled golf distance is 280 - 300ft (if I can keep the nose down). And those are either straight or slight hyzer shots the whole distance. I've been able to get my G Star Teebird and Athena out to 300ft on a low hyzer consistently for about 4 months now.
I have gone through several changes in my form over this off season with varying degree's of success / progress. I've tried the straight arm, very swooping style like Philo, wide rail like McBeth, which actually was nice but I lost the ability to do anything with that style of throw when I tried to fix my footwork.
The most recent change I've made and the most radical results has been changing the tempo and speed of my x-step / run up. I used to do a slow, methodical walk up but I would find myself constantly arming the disc through the shot. Leaving me with 250-275ft of distance (classic dad bod) and an aching back. I felt like I was yanking my arm and back to try and get some speed on the disc as I threw. I've always struggled with feeling the brace at the end of the shot and translating that to power. THEN in the middle of a frustrated field session I told myself to just run. Go full James Conrad and see what happens if you force yourself to stop and brace. So I did and found myself doing a small crow hop, kind of like Aaron Gossage has in his backhand throw (although without the great mustache and sick side arm). The results with shocking. Without thinking of anything else but "catch your weight" I found myself throwing BOMBS. Fairways were going 325-350ft on flex lines. My echo star wraith and Archon were going 360-389ft (measured on u-disc so results can vary a little). They were on these large flip to flat, ride right, then slowly come back to center lines but they were booming. I was absolutely floored. Another strange thing about that was the next day my lats and right pec muscles were sore. Like hard workout sore not injured sore. And my back felt fine!
I found myself during those throws feeling that delay between the x-step and looking back into the back swing while waiting for the plant foot to hit. Like I finally understood the "wait for the plant" concept people have talked about on here and Reddit. But then the doubts started creeping in. I don't think this style of throw is possible long term. And while I was throwing bombs that were ending straight in front of the tee pad position, I was going max effort. And I am constantly hearing and seeing people throw the same distances (350ft+) with what they say is almost no effort. Now I know perceived effort is subjective, what one person finds exhausting another might not notice at all. But it got me overthinking...again. So I went back to the drawing board and tried to be smooth with my throw and tone down the crow hop. And I've found myself constantly frustrated, and seeking help from the gurus!
I've been going back to bracing drills and trying to feel the brace and weight shift in a slower throwing style. Here is a clip of me trying to go through the shift from behind drill from Seabass.
https://youtu.be/-vPmVKi6l40
The thing I didn't like about this drill was that afterwards my right knee was aching and the inner part of my right calf was aching. Still does today actually. And it didn't feel very powerful. I don't know if that is something I'm supposed to feel while performing drills like these.
Here are two clips of my throwing and concentrating on staying upright, good balanced posture, and being smooth with the throw. One in normal speed and the other in slow mo from my phone.
Normal speed: https://youtube.com/shorts/DbXeuPS2j84?feature=share
Slow Motion: https://youtube.com/shorts/DbXeuPS2j84?feature=share
I apologize about them being Shorts. I have no video editing software or knowledge and this was taking last night in the depths of frustration. I think I know the solve though. I've read that filming in horizontal and longer than 60 seconds makes the videos upload as normal videos.
Lastly here is a clip of how I actually am throwing now, trying to keep the crow hop under control but still feel the brace and power through the shot. This was my throwing my echo wraith on a slightly uphill 275ft hole. I overshot the basic by about 30ft. Not trying to brag by any means just giving context in case it matters. I've found myself more comfortable disc'ing up vs disc'ing down if that makes any sense? I'm just more comfortable with a driver style disc in my hand.
https://youtu.be/X3izo9W3u3E
Also if I am muttering to myself I apologize, I tend to talk things through out loud when I'm in problem solving mode, if that makes any sense.
My typical controlled golf distance is 280 - 300ft (if I can keep the nose down). And those are either straight or slight hyzer shots the whole distance. I've been able to get my G Star Teebird and Athena out to 300ft on a low hyzer consistently for about 4 months now.
I have gone through several changes in my form over this off season with varying degree's of success / progress. I've tried the straight arm, very swooping style like Philo, wide rail like McBeth, which actually was nice but I lost the ability to do anything with that style of throw when I tried to fix my footwork.
The most recent change I've made and the most radical results has been changing the tempo and speed of my x-step / run up. I used to do a slow, methodical walk up but I would find myself constantly arming the disc through the shot. Leaving me with 250-275ft of distance (classic dad bod) and an aching back. I felt like I was yanking my arm and back to try and get some speed on the disc as I threw. I've always struggled with feeling the brace at the end of the shot and translating that to power. THEN in the middle of a frustrated field session I told myself to just run. Go full James Conrad and see what happens if you force yourself to stop and brace. So I did and found myself doing a small crow hop, kind of like Aaron Gossage has in his backhand throw (although without the great mustache and sick side arm). The results with shocking. Without thinking of anything else but "catch your weight" I found myself throwing BOMBS. Fairways were going 325-350ft on flex lines. My echo star wraith and Archon were going 360-389ft (measured on u-disc so results can vary a little). They were on these large flip to flat, ride right, then slowly come back to center lines but they were booming. I was absolutely floored. Another strange thing about that was the next day my lats and right pec muscles were sore. Like hard workout sore not injured sore. And my back felt fine!
I found myself during those throws feeling that delay between the x-step and looking back into the back swing while waiting for the plant foot to hit. Like I finally understood the "wait for the plant" concept people have talked about on here and Reddit. But then the doubts started creeping in. I don't think this style of throw is possible long term. And while I was throwing bombs that were ending straight in front of the tee pad position, I was going max effort. And I am constantly hearing and seeing people throw the same distances (350ft+) with what they say is almost no effort. Now I know perceived effort is subjective, what one person finds exhausting another might not notice at all. But it got me overthinking...again. So I went back to the drawing board and tried to be smooth with my throw and tone down the crow hop. And I've found myself constantly frustrated, and seeking help from the gurus!
I've been going back to bracing drills and trying to feel the brace and weight shift in a slower throwing style. Here is a clip of me trying to go through the shift from behind drill from Seabass.
https://youtu.be/-vPmVKi6l40
The thing I didn't like about this drill was that afterwards my right knee was aching and the inner part of my right calf was aching. Still does today actually. And it didn't feel very powerful. I don't know if that is something I'm supposed to feel while performing drills like these.
Here are two clips of my throwing and concentrating on staying upright, good balanced posture, and being smooth with the throw. One in normal speed and the other in slow mo from my phone.
Normal speed: https://youtube.com/shorts/DbXeuPS2j84?feature=share
Slow Motion: https://youtube.com/shorts/DbXeuPS2j84?feature=share
I apologize about them being Shorts. I have no video editing software or knowledge and this was taking last night in the depths of frustration. I think I know the solve though. I've read that filming in horizontal and longer than 60 seconds makes the videos upload as normal videos.
Lastly here is a clip of how I actually am throwing now, trying to keep the crow hop under control but still feel the brace and power through the shot. This was my throwing my echo wraith on a slightly uphill 275ft hole. I overshot the basic by about 30ft. Not trying to brag by any means just giving context in case it matters. I've found myself more comfortable disc'ing up vs disc'ing down if that makes any sense? I'm just more comfortable with a driver style disc in my hand.
https://youtu.be/X3izo9W3u3E
Also if I am muttering to myself I apologize, I tend to talk things through out loud when I'm in problem solving mode, if that makes any sense.