ginshun's form

[ginshun]

here you go guys. Below is the link to a video showcasing my form (or lack thereof, LOL!)
Just watching myself, I would say that I need to get my shoulders turned back more on my reach back, but other than that, who knows.
You guys are the experts, let me have it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkQye3vDLHc

 

[Rocaholic74]

Ok....I'm no expert but this is what I am seeing right off the bat:

1) You are not getting your hips turned enough away from your target to rotate your shoulders and get your back towards the target;

2) You basically have no reachback because of #1;

3) You are not using your legs to drive yourself through the throw and get your weight transferred to your front leg and up over the disc;

4) Because you're not using your legs, shoulders and torso it seems like you might be strong arming the disc;

5) A lot of your throws looked like they were nose up so I would work on getting my wrist in the down position to make sure the discs are not stalling out..

What it looks like you are doing right:

1) You are in a good athletic position to start the throw;

2) You maintain that upright position throughout the throw;

3) You do bring the disc back on a good plane but if you incorporate the X-step or some other way to get your hips turned more that would make your shoulders turn more and get a bigger reachback.

 

[ginshun]

#1 Turn the hips more.

Check! Thanks!

 

[silverbullet]

not really advice but, you had a nice grip on that cig (1st throw)

 

[Chain Wrangler]

Hmm. I am still new but from the back view at 2.50 that was a good throw. Snap that wrist.

 

[ginshun]

grip the cig, snap the wrist.

Check!

 

[slowRoll]

Start out by working on being stronger on your right leg when you plant it. Remember it's(just like putting) a weight shift from back leg to front. Coming off your X-step you put yourself in position to load up on the throw. To do this, you need a firm base to explode around on. It's ok for your right knee to be slightly bent, but I believe most of the best player really "stick" that foot into the ground with their throwing shoulder still turned away from the target before beginning the pull through and allowing their momentum to whip the body through. Something about yours looks a little forced. Just do what everyone else will tell you. Start from the hit back. I would suggest you just work on doing one step with your right leg, planting it firmly, and working on whipping through just to get the feel for it. You shouldn't be falling forward on the throw, you should be on your right foot(I use the ball of mine, some use their heel to rotate on), twisting around to the right, holding the hyzer/flat/anhyzer line into your follow-through. Hope that helps.

Good luck.

 

[slowRoll]

Cont:

The throw you did at 2:45 looked like your best one by a wide margin. You are blessed to be young and athletic (quit smoking ), all you need is good technique and lots of practice. Remember once you have the disc in your grip to keep your wrist down like you are reaching out to shake hands. Most of your throws looked "nose up". This small change may help you with that until you get a little better at pulling straight across your chest.

 

[DangeRuss]

Is it me or do half the people who put up these videos smoke cigs in them?

 

[ginshun]

I am actually not that young anymore - 36 to be exact, and blessed with being athletic isn't exactly how I'd put it. I have to work relatively hard to stay in the shape I am in, more as I get older.

And I know, I know, I need to quit smoking. Easier said than done unfortunately. I am down to about a pack a week, but can't seam to kick it altogether. Don't ever start smoking guys, I with I never had.

You are correct though, a lot of my thows were coming out nose up. I will try to incorporate your advise.

And thanks for the advice guys, keep it coming.

 

[CwAlbino]

First thing I see is your plant foot is all messed up. You are trying to open your hips too far on the plant. Look where Avery's plant foot is in accordance to his back/push foot. Your foot should be about where I circled in red or even slightly farther left.

Your pull planes are also messed up, but I think that's mainly due to footwork and trying to get your hips around too far for the plant. Here are the stills, fix the footwork first and make a new video though to see what that fixes.

red=shoulders
blue=forearm
yellow=disc

This is what it should look like
http://i53.tinypic.com/35041lt.png
http://i55.tinypic.com/2qx447n.png

So to help, watch and do this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nED7gcXobEo

But first things first, do this:
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/resources/articles/gripittoripit.shtml

Your grip is weird which is why the yellow line is awkward. Grip is the easiest thing to fix, and the most essential. Do it first.

 

[ginshun]

Thanks so much, that is exactly the type of thing I was looking for. I have watched the Beato video a bunch of times, but its hard to know what you are doing wrong and right, without actually looking at it and having someone point out the problems.

Seams like that front foot and leg placement is causing some problems. I will work on that and getting the planes parallel.

Thanks again!

 

[ginshun]

Changing your footwork and grip can really f up your timing.

Lol

 

[CwAlbino]

Changing your footwork and grip can really f up your timing.

Lol

yes, yes it can. lol. Just go to a field and pull across the body, adjust how and at what angle you are running up to adjust aim.

 

[ginshun]

Ya, I just need to practice more with the right steps. I think before I was turning my hips / body (or at least starting the turn) by stepping the wrong way, so now it's hard for me to get the turn in there with the right timing and I think on a lot of throws I am not turning and strong-arming it. I also have some OAT issues or something because I am turning a lot of shots way right on an anhyzer type line when I am trying to throw it straight.
Things have come together on a few throws though and it all feels good and the throw is good. I just need to get the reps in so I can do it everytime, and then really work on speeding everything up and really snapping once the mechanics are there.

We'll see what happens. At least I know what I should be working on now.

 

[joesouthfla]

First thing I see is your plant foot is all messed up. You are trying to open your hips too far on the plant. Look where Avery's plant foot is in accordance to his back/push foot. Your foot should be about where I circled in red or even slightly farther left.

Your pull planes are also messed up, but I think that's mainly due to footwork and trying to get your hips around too far for the plant. Here are the stills, fix the footwork first and make a new video though to see what that fixes.

red=shoulders
blue=forearm
yellow=disc

This is what it should look like
http://i53.tinypic.com/35041lt.png
http://i55.tinypic.com/2qx447n.png

So to help, watch and do this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nED7gcXobEo

But first things first, do this:
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/resources/articles/gripittoripit.shtml

Your grip is weird which is why the yellow line is awkward. Grip is the easiest thing to fix, and the most essential. Do it first.

That was really nice of you to break it down like that and make the still frames with the lines drawn.

 

[Jewdy]

Some of your OAT could be from your follow through. Your shoulders are set for a flat throw but your arm swing at the hit goes on an anhyzer plane. If your arm plane and shoulder plane are different get ready for some OATs.