I can BARELY break 300'

[Plasticsnapsauce]

I think it's the way my phone is oriented, I actually tried to switch it today but That didn't work. Next time I should have it back to normal. Definitely didn't switch to LHBH though lol.

 

[sidewinder22]

I don't think it was meant to be a throwing drill. Just feel the weight sling.

 

[azplaya25]

Best thing I've done for my game is develop this pendulum backswing. Really helps rock the hips back and load up your back leg. Also makes it really easy to hit your line. I find it easiest to do this open to closed move with the bowling backswing.



https://youtu.be/FyidYew1BaU

 

[Plasticsnapsauce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b-sH3TKGag

Here is the latest fieldwork. Today I was trying to throw a little more "normally" while still keeping the feel of the swing drill I did last time. I tried to keep my head back a little more, but it still might be coming out over top, not sure. I'll also note that usually my right shoulder is a little sore after doing fieldwork, but today it was all in my right glute. I was also trying to focus at least a little on not letting my left arm swing around behind me like crazy. Let me know what to do next!

 

[sidewinder22]

Backswing is looking good.

1. Take a small 3-6" step forward in the backswing.

2. Keep your eyes on your thumb/disc.

3. Keep your elbow more forward.

 

[Plasticsnapsauce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D17JwBuPtI


Here's today's footage. Something felt off about some of these throws. I did have a few throws today that weren't on camera that felt pretty good, and I might just not be used to how the right way feels. When I was doing the standstills, it was easy to really get up on my right side and bring the disc sort of underneath and through, whereas today kind of felt like my old throws. Might be in my head though.

I can definitely see that on some of these I was trying way to hard and ended up muscling the disc, but I think a few of them were decent. I'm also seeing that I'm not really getting into the power pocket very well, but that's something I've just really started to focus on today so I don't expect to have that down perfect.

In better news there was a ripping right to left wind messing up all my lines lol. I decided to throw one in a different direction so that I had a tailwind instead of a cross-wind and ended up throwing 390! So hopefully I'm doing something right. Let me know what yall see and what I can work on next.

 

[sidewinder22]

I really dislike starting with feet together. Stand shoulder width apart with slightly closed stance and take a small 3-6" step/stride forward - not diagonal.

 

[Plasticsnapsauce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbBj74yp4_8

Ok that felt a TON better not starting with my feet together. Until you mentioned it I hadn't even noticed I was doing that. These were all going out to about the 290-310 mark so not bad compared to the example video.

Watching the video and a little in my throws, I don't think I'm getting into the power pocket half the time. In some of the throws it looks like I do a little bit but I'm not sure. Let me know how this looks and what's next!.

 

[sidewinder22]

I would start even wider. Only need a small compact quick stride couple inches. Or you could try starting super wide and reverse stride front foot away from target. Or one leg drill or downhill lie.

Your rear leg is pushing your upper body/head over, instead of driving/shifting your lower body forward underneath upper body. Front leg needs to balance your spine/head to rotate on front leg, extending front knee. It's going to feel different or weird changing this fundamental balance to the front leg, instead of being stuck on rear leg and pushing over the front leg. Note how your knees are backwards from Paige and head tilt. Paige is bracing up on front leg pushing her CoG back away from target to slow down after rear leg drive. You are still trying to drive from the rear leg and collapsing your front leg.

I would watch the head position and tilted spiral vids again a few times.

Looks like you are trying to curl your arm too much around the disc.

Try Open to Closed Drill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwy1HNMfhbk#t=6m57s

 

[Plasticsnapsauce]

Well I tried the open to close drill and I don't think I'm doing it right. I might post a video of me just doing that for some critique. I did go out and throw today and I think I may have made a small realization/change in the right direction.

I was really focused this session on trying to get my head position right, and trying to stay braced against the right side (referencing the "pressure cooker" idea from the Shawn Clement video).

Most of the day I still felt like I was fighting against my old muscle memory and I could see my head and torso angle were wrong.

After a while of really trying to get my body alignment right though, I had a couple of throws where my throw felt.... shorter? It felt like I was hitting the ground with my plant foot and then not moving the rest of my body besides my arm any more forward after that point. So I got a video of my trying to replicate that feeling. It definitely feels different, but not bad, and I certainly don't hurt as much as a normal session.

After watching the video, I still feel like my head is moving a little too much, but hopefully this looks at least closer to the correct way of throwing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHxQHR6N5jk

 

[Plasticsnapsauce]

I forgot to mention that while doing this new feels, it was almost impossible for my back foot to not come up off the ground through the throw, which I think is a good thing.

I'll also note that all my shots were going really super high when I was doing that. Idk if that's important or not, but I figured I would add that.

 

[Cowabungapizzabomb]

My guess would be that the high ones are due to a nose up grip/release, which you have built in to compensate for your upper body dip/lunge. So as you correct the upper body, you'll get some skyballs until you adjust some of the nose up issues. Which include a high reachback and downward scooping swing.

 

[sidewinder22]

Yeah looking better.

1. Start in a wider stance.

2. Stride more inside rear leg, might feel more left to right and open. See GG kick the can outside-in. Your stride just moves outside-outside over too far and never cock the hips with internal torque. Or Simon style stride inside-out.

3. Need to keep both of your elbows in front of your body. This will help a lot with nose angle.

 

[Plasticsnapsauce]

Alrighty, so today I focused most of my attention on trying to keep my back arm in front of me. I think it definitely helped, some of my shots were still going a little high, but it was a definite improvement. I also tried to keep my feet more in line and not stride so diagonally.

In rewatching these vids I can't tell if my head is moving too much and I'm tipping over my brace again or not, but I think its still an improvement from my shots in the past.

Because I was trying to look at how my feet were lined up, I also took a video from behind my "teepad" for some extra info. The video from behind is a separate video with separate throws. I may look into finding a way to get two cameras going at once so I can see both head on and from behind on the same shot.

Let me know how these look!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itORtXz68Ds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7oUKauZl9Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4pbWZqOVoA

 

[sidewinder22]

Looking better with the rear arm. You are still striding too diagonal and stuck on your rear foot/trying to drive too late which pushes you over your front leg. Try striding in the opposite diagonal to target/open, so your butt stays back and moves forward deeper than you move back. Also keep your elbow up higher.

 

[Plasticsnapsauce]

Thank you for the quick reply. I tried to go out and get another video but I don't how successful this one was. I tried to stride diagonally back, and get my elbow forward, but I don't know if that's really coming through in the video. I feel like I'm still doing the same thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkzQMd6iPhE

 

[sidewinder22]

Throw Open to Closed Drill, start super open to target and wind everything back closed into the plant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwy1HNMfhbk#t=6m57s

 

[sidewinder22]

 

[Plasticsnapsauce]

So I'm still going to try the open to closed drill next time I go out, which may or may not be today, but first I wanted to get a quick concept check.

I was looking up some stuff last night about weight shift and I found a thread on dgcr (I can't seem to find it now or I would just link it) and the guy was talking about how there was a split second during the weight shift where the back foot is already deweighted/off the ground but the front foot is still on the toes and hadn't completely planted yet, and how this little bit of time in between helped him get the rest of his throw in sync.

Reading this I realized that when doing my throw, I haven't really been engaging my toes and feet at all. I went back and watched the crush the can videos and during a demonstration of coming over the top/not bracing against the right side, Sidewinder mentions "throwing flat footed".

Now this stuck out because I have fairly flat feet, and have actually worried from time to time that this would prevent me from being able to shift properly. So I then tried to just bounce on the balls of my feet/ toes, back and forth

I then tried to do a couple swings inside while focusing on bouncing from toe to toe, instead of just stepping sideways flat.

What I think I've realized is that when your feet are engaged and your weight is not only over your toes, but actually carried by your toes/feet, the body seems to just put itself into the position that I've been trying to figure out how to get to.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=74220&stc=1&d=1619834456


I also found that when I did this move, that it naturally moved my hips, and then shoulders, into what at least looks like the power pocket, without me having to actively pull my hand and arm into the right place.

I don't know if this makes sense in text, but I made a quick video trying to demonstrate what I'm talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iEFiuOD3V4


It almost feels like I'm hopping between my feet instead of just stepping

I'm doing the move somewhat exaggerated, and in an actual throw I imagine I would need to tweak some things, smooth other things out etc etc, but does this move look on the right track? Should I try to incorporate this into my throwing?

 

[Kratos]

I've been thinking along the same lines recently. I place my rear foot flat on the ground and have just the toes of my front foot on the ground. Then I make the move to the toes of my rear foot, the crushing the can sequence automatically happens.