Looking for help, please.

[ShaneD813]

Hey all, been working on my form for the last year. Maxing out at 300' - 350' if the stars align. Can't seem to find that effortless smooth power. I'm 6'2 250lbs so my brain tells me my upper body should be doing all the work and I know this is not true but I can't stop from doing it. All I'm looking to get is in the 350' with accuracy. I use a 3 finger power grip with my pinky tucked and my index finger barely wraps under the rim (small hand problems). All drills and suggestions are more than welcomed. I do watch form videos daily but I can't seem to transfer that info onto the tee pad. Thanks in advance.

Hopefully this works, having trouble uploading videos from my note 10 from Mp4 to one of the accepted formats so I linked my youtube video.

https://youtu.be/7ghL5Jk1gR0

https://youtu.be/MNb9biVMdpU

 

[UhhNegative]

You need to turn back a lot further and plant more closed.

Door frame drill:

 

[tisjja]

My English is probably a bit off but let me try to explain
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OK... XY-axis: If the bodey when standing upright represents Y and the direction of your motion represents X. Then you will see, when looking at good throwers how their hips will stop moving in the X direction once they are planted. Their hips will rotate but not move forward in the x plane.
When looking at your videos you can see how your hips moves forward in the x plane throughout the whole throw, and If your hips is traveling forward as you pull against the brace, then you will be leaking ground force/power. It is almost the same thing as trying to plant against a slippery surface, only that the slippery surface is further up the chain.

The lower your bodey weight are when coming in to the brace, the easier it will be to stop that forward motion from traveling forward. Also the angle of the front leg is important for that same reason. The more angle the lower CoG.

This is not an easy thing to do. Doing it well is an athletic motion that I am struggling with my self, mainly because I am stiff and not very flexible which hinders the motion and causing my bodey to "cheat" it self into different positions

But I think that by bending your knees more, coming in to the brace more squatted and focus on rotating your hips before your shoulders that 350 ft should come pretty soon.

One thing you can try out just to get a feel for impact in a way that makes more sense to your bodey is by telling yourself to have your hand over your front foot at release. This should help with the leg angle.

Good luck!

 

[tisjja]

Also a lot of times the bodey will abort motions/put the breaks on just because it don't want to get hurt. If you are stiff for example, a crappy throw can be caused by pure self-preservation.
So what I am trying to say is, try new things out in a non violent way...

"slow is smooth, smooth is far"

 

[sidewinder22]

Yeah, you are planting with your front side already turned wide open. Door Frame Drills should be pulling your whole body, hips/shoulders much further back as you are about to plant. Probably feel quite weird, take video of drill.

 

[ShaneD813]

Thanks for all advice. Please keep it coming. When I recorded myself my open plant foot was the first thing i noticed. I rewatched some seabass22 (doorframe and buttwipe drills) and started leading with my ass and gained more distance noticeably.

I pick up muscle memory and habits pretty easily. That can be good but it can also be very bad in terms of bad habits. I used to be able to throw 350-400' easy but with only luck as accuracy. I changed something in my routine and everything else went to **** and I started struggling with distance and throwing everything into the ceiling. I got a new phone with better video so now I can get back to recording myself and fixing these bad habits. I'll follow up with what I look like after i do some door frame drills.

 

[ShaneD813]

I also noticed something the other day when I was practicing, the disc does this thing in my hand where it lifts up as I start my hit. What is this from and how do I correct it? I've been having alot of nose up problems and I cant figure out why since I place the disc in between my middle and index finger and wrap around and reach back sorta low which I heard was supposed to help.

https://youtu.be/NPBSYvi0xJs

https://youtu.be/lzbZ6Cly1ig

 

[sidewinder22]

The disc isn't going upward, it actually lowers. You are swinging downward and the wrist/disc is following/lagged with the nose up behind as you tip/push your upper body over top the front leg instead of shifting dynamic upright to the front leg.

You need to learn how to properly shift center in dynamic balance from one leg to the other leg and throw with upward trajectory on front leg with the disc nose down. I highly recommend working from a "standstill"(don't just standstill/static, but keep dynamic motion/balance moving between the feet). This will likely be a temporary 1 or 2 step backward thing to progress forward. A disc is still a projectile like a ball or hammer or paper airplane and needs upward trajectory for distance.

Note how Paul's front hip has shifted forward so everything is in dynamic alignment on the front leg head to toe, and all his weight/pressure has left the rear foot. Note how your dynamic alignment is stuck back on your rear leg, and your front hip is behind your shoulder and your rear foot is still weighted/pushing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxnhM5amro0#t=1m14s
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133543
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124523

 

[ShaneD813]

So I need to shift my hips more forward or bring my upper body more center and not over the top of the brace? Is it my stance that is too wide?

When watching the seabass doorframe videos he said something about coming into the pull and "sitting", transfering all the weight and momentum into the heel of the brace and I don't do that. I come into the shot knees bent.

 

[UhhNegative]

More of a just a fundamental change about how you are throwing. You are opening everything way too early. Look how you are like 90 degrees off of where Paul is at the same point in the swing.

The door frame drill should help you feel where your hips and shoulders should be at the plant.

 

[sidewinder22]

See "Shift from behind" instead of "trying to shift from in front":