The patriot I have is icon, and 174g. Way too new to have the straight LSF now, but I could see it beating into a beauty for that shot. I'd rather not throw mids at this length on this particular line...the ceiling isn't high enough, so I'm looking for a disc that I can fan grip (underpower a tad) and trust. I can get mids to 300 if I crank them, but run the risk of griplock or throwing too low due to the glide of mids compared to 6-8 speed discs. Discmania drivers and leopard seem like the obvious so far, thanks for all your guys' help!