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I find their light discs are freaking magical, though in theory they would be the least gyro.. Less weight means less weight in the rim... but they are really true to flight even in such a light weight.
Thought I heard that for given mold, all the rims are the same weight, and that the cores are what determined the final disc's weight.
If so, then their lighter discs would have more gyro effect than their heavier discs, because more of the mass is in the rim, less in the core.
Maybe someone can confirm that, or perhaps it's in the thread Tbird linked.
From my experience as a mech. engineer at my company, we would certainly celebrate a 5% change in many of our targeted design variables. To people who look at the 5% change in MoI and say that it is "just a gimmick" or "not enough" to make a difference, at what point would you say it matters?
Lets use disc mass as an example. Would you bag multiples of the same mold in different weights?
A 5% decrease in mass from a disc at 175g is a little over 8g making this lighter disc about 167g. Assuming all solo-mold discs are constant density these lighter discs should also have a 5% reduction in MoI making them turn & fade more.
I've heard a few common explanations for why people enjoy throwing lightweight discs, they are easier to flip, you can throw them at a higher speed, and just less stress on the body overall. I totally understand the "easier to flip" portion just looking at the MoI. I'm more skeptical that you get a 1:1 improvement in disc speed because I think a lot of the energy/effort put into a throw also has to go into accelerating your arm and rotating your trunk to some degree. Not all of the energy/effort goes into the disc.
If gyro is a gimmick, is disc weight a gimmick as well?
At what % does it no longer become a gimmick and becomes a noticeable difference you might seek out.
Release the GYRO™!See the issue is that you're just not putting enough spin on it.
From my experience as a mech. engineer at my company, we would certainly celebrate a 5% change in many of our targeted design variables. To people who look at the 5% change in MoI and say that it is "just a gimmick" or "not enough" to make a difference, at what point would you say it matters?
Lets use disc mass as an example. Would you bag multiples of the same mold in different weights?
A 5% decrease in mass from a disc at 175g is a little over 8g making this lighter disc about 167g. Assuming all solo-mold discs are constant density these lighter discs should also have a 5% reduction in MoI making them turn & fade more.
I've heard a few common explanations for why people enjoy throwing lightweight discs, they are easier to flip, you can throw them at a higher speed, and just less stress on the body overall. I totally understand the "easier to flip" portion just looking at the MoI. I'm more skeptical that you get a 1:1 improvement in disc speed because I think a lot of the energy/effort put into a throw also has to go into accelerating your arm and rotating your trunk to some degree. Not all of the energy/effort goes into the disc.
If gyro is a gimmick, is disc weight a gimmick as well?
At what % does it no longer become a gimmick and becomes a noticeable difference you might seek out.
I am also not trying to advocate that Gyro is the best in all scenarios, just that it has a measurable difference of similar magnitude to other factors that people care about and don't seem to doubt or question.
Maybe the greatest contribution from Gyro is that you can choose lightweight discs to get the benefits of less stress and possibly some disc speed improvement without sacrificing as much stability in the disc.