plastic_fondler said:
JHern said:
Milo McIver (Oregon) is way over-rated. A very pretty place, but the course is almost entirely wide open and boring (almost no altitude change, most holes play across huge clearings to a basket tucked behind this or that tree). It is laid out more like a rec ball golf course (i.e., designed to make old men on viagra feel better about their athletic skill) than a proper disc golf course (i.e., real challenges, not just wide open throws from one clearing to the next).
I could see how you might say this with Milo playing the perm. 27 hole course without knowing the par's of holes. Many holes change to hard par 3's or hard par 4's with the tourney layout. With the two 18 hole layouts in mostly long positions and OBs these are two of the nicest placement par 60's courses I've played on the west. Some shots are a little open, but they are par 4/5's. The genius hole from the new tee position looks nasty hard. Actually the only wide open par 4 is 14 west on the dual 18 layout. It is really just a power throwers birdie 3. All the other par 4's are placement shots despite there openness. Same with the monster par5...very open but still hard to birdie 4 or even par without placement...
I don't care what is called par. I just try to shoot well, no matter what folks consider the "par." Challenging and interesting holes are my standard of judgment. My own judgment of par on courses is usually about the same, or at most 0.5 throws over, the open tournament average (SSA), but for simplicity I score everything as par 3. We call this "DeLa scoring" here.
Milo is a gorgeous park, but the course itself is kinda boring a lot of the time. I like the length of the holes since you always have a long drive, long upshot, and long putt on every hole, but I feel like they're just filling space instead of really making them more interesting in and of themselves. However, there are a few really nice holes at Milo I'd love to play again and again...for example, the one that shoots off the small hillock into the open and the basket is down next to the river: very reachable on a good turnover rip, but nice danger in skipping into the river behind the basket. But I need more than a few out of 27 holes to get my interest.
plastic_fondler said:
...My overrated course is San Fran...
If you only think about what is par and what is not par, then you're right, SFGGP might be seen as over-rated. I consider everything to be par 3 in my total score, as I said above. I shot -2 on the front 9 at SFGGP yesterday in a wicked rainstorm (we couldn't play the back 9, as the weather became unbearable). It is a course that a lot of pros would consider deuce-or-die dominant. But I really like some of those holes, even though the regular player will score a lot of deuces there after learning how to throw the various routes. My favorite holes at SFGGP: 3 (long), 4 (tight tree routes no matter the placement), 5 (long), 8 (long right down the hill and by the ledge), 11 (stump), 12 (deep), 15 (long), 17 (long), 18 (long right). That's 9/18 holes that I really enjoy playing. The others are nice fillers. And anyways, Golden Gate Park is ridiculously beautiful, the locals are super, and the course is meticulously cared for by the club. What's not to like? I only wish they could fan out into more of the park...it could easily be the greatest course in the world if they had free reign to use all the park.
