Of the disc golf holes in the world, what percent would you say are now designated par 3?
Going by what par they are given in PDGA tournaments, what par people play them as casually, or what par is on the tee sign?
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Of the disc golf holes in the world, what percent would you say are now designated par 3?
Going by what par they are given in PDGA tournaments, what par people play them as casually, or what par is on the tee sign?
Of the disc golf holes in the world, what percent would you say are now designated par 3?
No, not at all. The tee box issue is the(well, one of the) reason no one seems to agree on par in disc golf, yet everyone agrees with it in golf. At my local muni, I have a choice of 5 tees. At the two nicest disc golf courses in this part of the state, I have my choice of two, but that's only because Doof got permission to go out and add red pavers as short tees. I've never played a course with more than 2 sets. So, disc golfers of vastly different skill levels are forced to play from the same place. That can make the course too easy for the skilled, and too hard for the not so. We have lots of guys in this community that avoid our best courses because they are "too hard". Really, they are too long.
I like two or three par-3 (s/b par-2) holes mixed in on tour. The "must gets" add a bit of drama. That birdie 2 (or par 2) doesn't give much thrill, but carding that 3 stings.
It would be fitting to call that 3, a bogey.
Anyway, I'll grant that it is mostly about reducing birdies, because there are only a few holes with par too low. So what? Isn't getting rid of the excess birdies a good thing?
In the world, I can't say. I'd like to see a download of the data in the Hole Info. tabs.
Here is the distribution of pars used in PDGA tournaments for the 2,048 holes for which I have scoring data by player and know the official par. These were not all Open division pars.
2= 0.05%
3= 69.58%
4= 25.93%
5= 4.39%
6= 0.05%
I can't agree that there is such a thing as excess birdies. That's like saying extra money. I also disagree that reducing birdies has any benefit or is "useful" in any way. Changing par doesn't change the calculus involved when a player steps up to the tee and decides how to approach a hole based on his/her estimation of the abilities of his competitiors. "Par" may be shorthand for that decision making approach, but if there were no par, the analysis would be exactly the same. The only thing that matters in determining the winner of a tournament is the score. In relation to par, a -18 compared to a -27 is the same as an even par score compared to a -9, they are just numbers, nothing to be afraid of or embarrassed about. And certainly not worth throwing around implied claims of unprofessional behavior for not using one over the other.
Basically, I worry very little about par. It is a tool for beginners to understand the basic expectation of them on a new course. My little bit of worry is in not setting par too difficult for those starting out when I make tee signs. Other than that, I occasionally smile when someone asks me in a tournament what the par is on the hole we are about to play, like it matters. They probably look at me the same way when I ask what the distance is.
But, I have been meaning to ask this question; since there was a pretty drastic change in the definition of par at the beginning of this year, basically eliminating a mandatory stroke, how did you change SOCMOBR to adjust to the new definition?
I can't agree that there is such a thing as excess birdies. That's like saying extra money.
But, I have been meaning to ask this question; since there was a pretty drastic change in the definition of par at the beginning of this year, basically eliminating a mandatory stroke, how did you change SOCMOBR to adjust to the new definition?
But it would still make par more useful than it is now.
OK, so 70% will never change down. 30% will be argued about. What are we doing again?
I can't agree that there is such a thing as excess birdies. That's like saying extra money. I also disagree that reducing birdies has any benefit or is "useful" in any way....
Basically, I worry very little about par. It is a tool for beginners to understand the basic expectation of them on a new course.
My little bit of worry is in not setting par too difficult for those starting out when I make tee signs. Other than that, I occasionally smile when someone asks me in a tournament what the par is on the hole we are about to play, like it matters. They probably look at me the same way when I ask what the distance is.
As for the 70%, perhaps they won't change down, but perhaps some of them will, or perhaps some of the holes will be improved to earn their 3. At least all three options are on the table now.
Earn their 3? Seems you've learned nothing throughout this discussion lol
I must have missed something too. Why is that phrasing inappropriate? Unless we are trying to keep par meaningless and up to random TD whims, it should be held to some standard.
Earn their 3? Seems you've learned nothing throughout this discussion lol
I must have missed something too. Why is that phrasing inappropriate? Unless we are trying to keep par meaningless and up to random TD whims, it should be held to some standard.
No, I made no adjustment. I viewed the "allowing two close range throws" as redundant. There are valid arguments that it may not have been perfectly redundant, but I treated it as such, and now it's gone, so my method needed no adjustment.
If it hasn't earned its 3(whatever that might possibly mean) then what is it? A 2? What's been pointed out many times, and ignored almost as many is, there are hard par 3s . There are not so hard par 3s. There are really hard par 3s. What are we going to do? Design all par 3s to play to the exact same number? This is supposed to be a par thread/discussion, not a poorly designed hole discussion. Oh, and tee boxes.