puck'n'disc5
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Print a Chik-Fil-A voucher on a mini and take it out of the pro purse for the trifecta.
edit: OR PUT IT ON A WHITE COTTON MEN'S XL UNDERSHIRT
Thank Popeye's chicken sandwich though.....
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Print a Chik-Fil-A voucher on a mini and take it out of the pro purse for the trifecta.
edit: OR PUT IT ON A WHITE COTTON MEN'S XL UNDERSHIRT
I think the younger crowd you get for Open and Advanced probably like three day tee time events, but I hate them.
Mid Am did 3 rounds Fri/Sat/Sun at Harmony Bends for Open/Advanced and everybody else did 2 Sat/1 Sun at AO except rec and Jrs that only played two rounds. It's problematic for Columbia since everybody wants to play Harmony Bends, but in St. Louis with no real standout course that people will be mad about not playing I think the Mid Am format has real potential. That keeps somebody like me from needing to commit to a day off to play. For people who travel with Open/Adv people they can spectate or practice on Friday. Mid Am has really bumped up in profile here in the last few years, so I'd keep an eye on what they are doing.
You have the Carrollton/Sioux/JB three headed monster so I'd use all three. Your problem is how far away JB is, how remote Sioux is and the travel issues they create. I'd rather play any of them twice before I'd want to play Sioux and JB in the same day. So you are kinda damned if you do/damned if you don't. You kinda have to mix in Endicott or Wilmore for travel reasons, which is a lot of course to get ready.
I really wouldn't mind a Sioux/Endicott or Carrollton/Endicot Saturday and then JB Sunday, or a JB/Wilmore Saturday and Sioux or Carrollton on Sunday, though. I think you can sell those kind of combos to Int/Rec/Ad Masters/Jr's and keep them happy.
300ish miles; the road trip is basically anyplace where we can leave at midnight and be there in time for check in Sat morning.
Really it's courses, which is bad for St. Louis. St. Louis has a lot of really good courses but no great courses. The variety there is really good, but there is no real "must play" course there. That's another point in favor of figuring out the travel hassle using a lot of courses, as it's the amount of good courses that is the strength of the scene.
DX Roc. I'm pretty easy that way.
It's actually intangible stuff outside your control. Being on a card with decent guys, good weather, stuff like that makes it more enjoyable. Bad weather/douchebags are also memorable, but you don't want to make those memories.
Really just having staff at all the courses prepared to deal with weirdness is the best you can do. Anecdotally that's the biggest reason I hear from people here about why they don't go to St. Louis, that reputation the scene has for not dealing with people who are douchebags and just letting them get away with it. It may or may not be a fair reputation, but out here in the boonies that's what I hear.
Your welcome.
As an MA60 who actually did travel to play last year, part of the appeal was to play multiple courses. So don't put us on the same ones we played this year.
If there are to be two rounds in one day, they'd better be at the same course with lunch provided or really convenient. (And not at one of those way out of town).
There is nothing I would rather have in a player's pack than NOTHING. I don't need coupons forced on me. No one should ever give out stickers (which mostly get attached to baskets). I won't wear that shirt. I don't throw max weight anything. Not everyone drinks alcohol (well, not everyone who lives elsewhere than STL). I won't drive to a local shop to cash in any sized voucher, or worse, pay shipping for my "paid for" discs.
Maybe you could raise funds to replace some of those old baskets and call my "donation" to that fund the player's pack.
If someone wants to foist ads, souvenirs, trophies, or coupons on me, the only tolerable medium would be to print them on minis.
I'm collecting data for an upcoming A-Tier and would like the format to be as player-oriented as possible so we can plan within the preferences of our target audience. If you do not play sanctioned events, feel free to provide your reason(s) why.
Specifically:
1. Would you prefer to play 3 rounds (Fri, Sat, Sun) or 4 (Fri, Sat 1, Sat 2, Sun)
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2. Would you prefer to play 1 course, 2 courses, or a new course each round?
More courses means more preparing time. So i would say no more than 2, unless you are talking about the biggest events like Worlds.
3. How far are you willing to travel for an event?
I have been all over europe and even to Japan. So i guess around the globe?
4. What would entice you to put an event (outside your home town) on your calendar?
Great course / Big competition (as in Major tournaments) / beautiful places to visit near the course; general other activities that make it worth to turn the tournament trip into a one or two weeks holiday
5. What (specific) types of items do you like to see in player's packs?
PLEASE NO DISCS. I have my bag, i dont need new discs.
I am all for shirts, towels or lunch vouchers.
6. Based on the events you've attended, what makes them memorable (good or bad)?
Best thing by far is to have the players in one place, like renting one hotel for all the players to stay in. This immeadiatly gives a much more familiar atmosphere.
Thanks in advance for your input!
I did see that.JB just got the approval for another 18 hole course! :clap:
One of the issues St. Louis has always had is the revolving door TD's. Somebody runs an event for one or two years and then they burn out some somebody else (sometimes reluctantly) picks it up. The event has had ups and downs, and it's really hard to overcome the reputation you get from the down years. I know on facebook this year one of the higher-rated somewhat-local players went on and basically said he rather go to an event out of town and trashed the tournament, which is never a good look (although the same guy complains on facebook a lot about almost everything so take it with a grain of salt.)It's a lot easier to screw up a good tournament, than make it better.
Which courses did you play last year? Did you play one round/day?As an MA60 who actually did travel to play last year, part of the appeal was to play multiple courses. So don't put us on the same ones we played this year.
If there are to be two rounds in one day, they'd better be at the same course with lunch provided or really convenient. (And not at one of those way out of town).
JB just got the approval for another 18 hole course! :clap:
I did see that.
I predict that when it is all over and done with it will be a fine course, but the process of designing it will become a boondoggle like Carrollton was so it's not going to be open for a bit. St. Louis disc golf has a long history of making things harder than they need to be. There are a few people there that just can't get on the same page.
Having said that, it would be really cool if that Club has turned a corner and would pull this off without a hitch and make me eat my words.
One of the issues St. Louis has always had is the revolving door TD's. Somebody runs an event for one or two years and then they burn out some somebody else (sometimes reluctantly) picks it up. The event has had ups and downs, and it's really hard to overcome the reputation you get from the down years. I know on facebook this year one of the higher-rated somewhat-local players went on and basically said he rather go to an event out of town and trashed the tournament, which is never a good look (although the same guy complains on facebook a lot about almost everything so take it with a grain of salt.)
They had a pretty good year this year and I think there is a real interest in trying to build momentum and overcome some of the bumps in the road they have had.
One of the issues St. Louis has always had is the revolving door TD's. Somebody runs an event for one or two years and then they burn out some somebody else (sometimes reluctantly) picks it up. The event has had ups and downs, and it's really hard to overcome the reputation you get from the down years. I know on facebook this year one of the higher-rated somewhat-local players went on and basically said he rather go to an event out of town and trashed the tournament, which is never a good look (although the same guy complains on facebook a lot about almost everything so take it with a grain of salt.)
They had a pretty good year this year and I think there is a real interest in trying to build momentum and overcome some of the bumps in the road they have had.
One thing that that was true then and is still true now it that there are a lot of really good solid guys in that club. Those guys were just not "organization" people, so they don't know how to go to a meeting or be part of a committee. They need a lot of leadership and a lot of patience since things you would think they should know they don't know. In one way it can be frustrating, but the payoff would be huge since it's an old scene, and big scene and it's got so many good guys as part of it. If you can give them direction and leave it in a way that can be repeated, you might just be what those guys have needed for 30 years.Initial designs look like a par 65-67. Should be epic!
I (kind of) refuse to get involved in things that don't follow a process. Or, I get involved in things that have no process, and create the process. My current "project" is the St. Louis Club. I believe I can change the perception of the City, our Club, and install new courses. But, I don't want to do this forever, so I am creating processes that can live on well beyond my interest to volunteer. We do need to start holding people accountable for being d-bags though.
I think we've struggled to get a consistent group of solid volunteers. Again, this is a top priority to changes and we've got 6 new guys on our board that are hungry for this change. So, I believe we're moving in the right direction.
1. Would you prefer to play 3 rounds (Fri, Sat, Sun) or 4 (Fri, Sat 1, Sat 2, Sun) - Personally, I like the 3-day event format. Makes travelling more cost efficient. If I was more local to the event I would love a 4-day format. Gives me more of a chance to have a bad day but finish respectably.
Which when applied to the Open is nothing but good news. Everything I heard about last year was positive. It's a great opportunity to push the event forward and get it on the radar of more players.
I live vicariously through Dave West's facebook vacation pictures. :|I am a huge fan of Dave West.
I'm out in Rolla these day. I have a couple of hours to kill on Saturdays so I try to frolf when I can, but once I drive anywhere I usually only get nine in before I have to get back and pick up my kid from band. I gotta get those kids through college/high school before I'll have time to do a three-day PDGA event.I'm not exactly sure of who you are, although I wouldn't doubt if we have crossed paths before. One of these days we gotta meet up for a round!!
This cracks me up. :thmbup:I tell a dumb story about playing glow at White Birch with a guy who putted with black 150 class 86 Softies and that terrible feeling when the putt hit nothing in the dark and you had to start looking around for a black disc you never saw in flight on the ground in the dark; that guy was Dave West.
Both options are the same time commitment.
Do you prefer 3 rounds in 3 days or 4 rounds in 3 days?
I am and AM50. I go to tournaments just for the disc golf and to hang out with disc golfers.