Biscoe already called me out on that, and I agreed - MSRP is the wrong decision. I'm happy to hear reasonable feedback and take it into my decision making processes. Stupid **** like "tHiS iS hOW wE cApItALIsm" is broken philosophically and in practice.
Whether you do it or not is not as important as that you report it and make it clear, allowing players to decide what they think of it.
Easy as pie to report something as having been donated. And in the case of the other items - it sounds like you've got a handle on what it costs, and you should be transparent about it.
Are you implying this is a problem? How about we make it clear providing as many players as possible the opportunity to pass that judgment, whether they had the intent or desire to do so without it in the first place.
None of what you brought up sounds difficult to make transparent to players at all.
Your comments have made it pretty clear that a majority of your experience (if not all) is on the player side. That's fine, but there is a lot of experience in this thread sharing the view from the other side, and you just don't seem to want to listen. But, that's just kind of your way, isn't it?...
Easy as pie?
Fundamentally, I agree. Depending on the size of event, I can prepare a TD report in 10-30 minutes. But, I'm an executive with the financial acumen and resources to do so. I've volunteered for our Club almost 15 years (with breaks in between) and only a few of our board members had the experience or knowledge to understand and prepare such a report. The others contributed different elements to our Club because the numbers/reporting was just not their specialty.
Even though I disagree with virtually everything you say, I acknowledge you seem to have some level of advanced education. So, I expect you likely have the experience to understand such a report when provided. That said, you admitted to "
rarely, if ever, check[ing] the financial sheet for the few TDs". Which circles back to the nit-pickers and effort vs impact evaluation.
BTW, it should be noted, a TD's job starts weeks or months before an event (depending on size). There is a ton of planning, logistics, communications, and preparation for most events - even more if the event is sanctioned, multiple days, provides food, or hosts vendors. No worries, volunteers invest their own time for the love of the game. Oh, let's not forget, these volunteers, who love & play the game, are sitting out to provide others the opportunity to play. We deal with the Woj's of the world who want to complain, question rationale, and pass judgement (WITHOUT HAVING APPROPRIATE CONTEXT TO DO SO), but we put on a happy face.
Because, even though we'd love
"to tell the nitpickers who quibble with [y]our specific decisions to **** off", you can't do that. That's not how the world works (unless you're a stupid effing liberal). Telling people to F-off turns a small quibble into a bigger one and potentially introduces social media, where the litany of uninformed morons want to jump on the bandwagon. So, again, we put on the happy face and listen to your nitpicky comments. Then, the event is over and we have just a handful of hours to rest before getting up and going back to our real jobs.
I absolutely disagree that this serves to cater to nitpickers - this caters to everybody. You can choose to tell the nitpickers who quibble with your specific decisions to **** off. If others follow them - then you know to change your distribution of resources. If others don't - you keep running events as is and don't worry about them.
And you don't have to care. I generally don't either. I rarely, if ever, check the financial sheet for the few TDs I know that do provide them, aside from looking at the line outlining payouts in my division to see if they make sense. My own personal lack of care as a player does not impede the fact that when I run an event I'd rather maximize transparency as a matter of transparent process.
From my perspective - as non-owners they should care how you do it, but they are not obligated. As to value to you - what value is removed by you providing transparency? As I noted earlier - it takes a negligible amount of time, the cost to you is virtually pennies if that in terms of man-hours. As to it providing you with value - I don't see that as relevant, personally, and I consider it problematic that this conversation continues to go back to treating transparency as a matter of value. But if we must - as noted by jenb earlier, regarding charities:
It eliminates the opportunity for people to "assume the worst." It engenders good will. The fact that you may perceive diminishing returns on the existence of good-will, to me, seems irrelevant to the active effort to build good-will through the relative non-expense of providing maximum possible transparency.
We do not live in a perfect world, so (I think) your ideologies will continue to disappoint you relative to what is needed, valued, and reasonable. For perspective, in 2020, 2021, and 2022, our group hosted the three largest disc golf events in our state's history (232 participants, 409 participants, and 525 participants respectively). The PDGA reports were filed in a timely manner and we requested player feedback from the participants. Our focus was player experience, so the events were well done all around. As a result, none of the ~1,100 players asked for a (more detailed) financial report . So, again, your ideologies are only serving to create more work for the people already breaking their backs for this sport.
DISCLAIMERS
* (I think) Charity events should disclose the funds raised for the charity.
* (I think) Smaller events (
<90) non-sanctioned events and leagues could easily have financials posted.
* I don't think MY way should be THE way, but we've had success following that model.