I picked up a Summit at Killer B last weekend because they didn't have any Pures, and dang am I loving it so far. It's a 175 firm and will hold the main line I bought it for, the understable anny line, perfectly. It also seems like it will be a great pair with my Envy for upshots; I can pull the Summit out when the stance is awkward or I need less power on the throw without having a dumpy finish. Really loving it so far