Eric said:In "Innova ratings speak", is a Stalker about a 6, 4, 0, 1 ? ( Speed / Glide / HiSpdTurn / LoSpdFade )?
The ratings at DGC seemed way off. Maybe mine are, too.
That's pretty close. Perhaps 6, 4, 0, 1.5
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Eric said:In "Innova ratings speak", is a Stalker about a 6, 4, 0, 1 ? ( Speed / Glide / HiSpdTurn / LoSpdFade )?
The ratings at DGC seemed way off. Maybe mine are, too.
discspeed said:Eric said:In "Innova ratings speak", is a Stalker about a 6, 4, 0, 1 ? ( Speed / Glide / HiSpdTurn / LoSpdFade )?
The ratings at DGC seemed way off. Maybe mine are, too.
That's pretty close. Perhaps 6, 4, 0, 1.5
NoLifeLeft said:Has anyone tried or even seen the reported 2010 PDGA disc (black ESP Stalker)?
chiggins said:discspeed said:Eric said:In "Innova ratings speak", is a Stalker about a 6, 4, 0, 1 ? ( Speed / Glide / HiSpdTurn / LoSpdFade )?
The ratings at DGC seemed way off. Maybe mine are, too.
That's pretty close. Perhaps 6, 4, 0, 1.5
So it's a Gazelle with a bit less fade? No kidding?
discspeed said:chiggins said:So it's a Gazelle with a bit less fade? No kidding?
In a general sort of way, but there is a lot more to a disc's flight than 4 numbers as we all know. The Gazelle is considerably smaller in diameter. This affects the flight quite a bit. What is does is make the Gazelle move faster laterally when it flips and comes back, which mean it flies on quicker S turns, where the Stalker's flight is more drawn out because of the large diameter. Also, once a Gazelle gets flippy it must be thrown with more hyzer to fly straight because it comes up pretty quickly, where the Stalker comes up slower so does not need as much hyzer to fly stable. Another difference of course is that the Stalker was designed for premium plastic and the Gazelle for dx. Premium Gazelles are much more overstable than Stalkers.
chiggins said:discspeed said:chiggins said:So it's a Gazelle with a bit less fade? No kidding?
In a general sort of way, but there is a lot more to a disc's flight than 4 numbers as we all know. The Gazelle is considerably smaller in diameter. This affects the flight quite a bit. What is does is make the Gazelle move faster laterally when it flips and comes back, which mean it flies on quicker S turns, where the Stalker's flight is more drawn out because of the large diameter. Also, once a Gazelle gets flippy it must be thrown with more hyzer to fly straight because it comes up pretty quickly, where the Stalker comes up slower so does not need as much hyzer to fly stable. Another difference of course is that the Stalker was designed for premium plastic and the Gazelle for dx. Premium Gazelles are much more overstable than Stalkers.
You're tellin' me everything I wanna hear, and what I'm hearing is "this fits between a Roc stack and a couple PD's like a hand in a glove." Demmit, I did not need a new mold right now.
I've been playiin' with JLS's the last couple weeks, and they're pretty fun, but I got 'em in the wind a few days and I was having a real hard time solving any kind of headwind with 'em. You gonna tell me now that Stalkers are great in the wind too?
discspeed said:chiggins said:You're tellin' me everything I wanna hear, and what I'm hearing is "this fits between a Roc stack and a couple PD's like a hand in a glove." Demmit, I did not need a new mold right now.
I've been playiin' with JLS's the last couple weeks, and they're pretty fun, but I got 'em in the wind a few days and I was having a real hard time solving any kind of headwind with 'em. You gonna tell me now that Stalkers are great in the wind too?
They are pretty good in the wind, especially when new. I often disc up to the Stalker from my mids when there is moderate wind. I wouldn't push it hard distance-wise into a headwind, but its range links perfectly to the PD. The large diameter makes the disc flip slower, so its more forgiving and harder to lose control of. The little bead and low profile probably help out as well (I know the huge dome on discs like the JLS and Leopards really hurt them in the wind).
discspeed said:Though I can't exactly bust out the physics, the large diameter does influence the straight flight in a way...It slows the precession of the high speed turn. The bead and the wing shape ensure that the disc pushes straight forward while it is flying at quite a range of hyzer angles so that you can keep the disc straight as it slowly flips to flat. The bead works to further slow the precession of the high speed turn. I think the bevel of the wing is responsible for the actual straight flight, with the diameter and bead affecting the range of speeds and angles that it maintains the straight flight.
rusch_bag said:I just read most of this thread and it seems like most of you guys like flat ones whereas I liked the domey one I had. What have you guys noticed in the flat vs the domey?
JHern said:What I can't wait for is when one of the disc makers simply takes a Stalker-like rim and makes it wider (i.e., stretches the profile in radius) while retaining the bead (maybe the bead could also be widened in radius, maybe not...I don't know). What you'll get is a high speed disc that will be laser straight with almost no fade
rusch_bag said:I just read most of this thread and it seems like most of you guys like flat ones whereas I liked the domey one I had. What have you guys noticed in the flat vs the domey?
I just read most of this thread and it seems like most of you guys like flat ones whereas I liked the domey one I had. What have you guys noticed in the flat vs the domey?
discspeed said:Once again practical experience with thousands of discs over the past 10 years tells me that there is something to the large diameter discs that affects the speed of their turn. I think it has something to do with the spin of the disc. I think the large diameter discs take a little more throw to get them spinning fast and they seem to lose their spin at a slower rate than smaller discs. Because of this they turn slower in and out of the high speed portion of the flight. The physics I don't know, but I think you could figure it out.
discspeed said:Although my understanding of physics does not go beyond a high school level, I feel it is very important/groundbreaking to understand the physics of disc flight. I think it could have far reaching technological implications far beyond disc golf.