Thing is, I don't think the complaints being expressed in this thread were so much about newbies or casuals, as it was about people whose misbehavior on the course ruins the sport for everybody, including other newbies and casuals who are trying to learn the game or get some exercise. These people aren't so much playing DG as they are loitering, and its not beneath them to smash up or tag the course equipment, knock over the trash cans, steal people's discs or drop their litter everywhere in between those times they may actually throw a disc.
By contrast, the 8/10/15 somes of family oriented folks don't bug me, (even if they'd do everyone a favor and splitting into 2-4 groups). Those folks are usually courteous enough to let others play through and to not tee off until the group ahead of them is finished. Hell, I wish we had more of them, but the aforementioned idiots have a way of running those folks off, and convince parents that disc courses are a magnet for those types of people.
By contrast, the 8/10/15 somes of family oriented folks don't bug me, (even if they'd do everyone a favor and splitting into 2-4 groups). Those folks are usually courteous enough to let others play through and to not tee off until the group ahead of them is finished. Hell, I wish we had more of them, but the aforementioned idiots have a way of running those folks off, and convince parents that disc courses are a magnet for those types of people.