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Can you blame him? Have you read this thread?
Oh no, not at all lol. I don't particularly have a high opinion of the general part of the forum. VIP is where it's at!
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Can you blame him? Have you read this thread?
Not only is the rating difference practically non-existent, when Terry interviewed Paige this week, she told him that her head wasn't in the game in 2016 for whatever reasons. That was visibly evident. If she was having personal issues, her sponsorship was an added stress, or her head just wasn't in the game, obviously she wouldn't be at the top of her game. So, a 6 point difference from Cat is minimal. When Paige is on, she is unquestionably the best woman in the sport. Hell, better that the vast majority of the MPO. Cat was able to stay in the middle of the pack for 1 division DGWT events, I would wager some coin that Paige would be in the top 20.
I'm not sure it's my job on SmashBoxxTV's weekly podcast to "ask tough questions" because frankly, we're not there to put the player's in those positions on a pretty light-hearted show and setting such as that. I'm not saying we never put anyone or any company on blast from time to time but it's certainly not a primary objective or goal.
I know most of the reasons as to why Paige is 'disappointed' as YOU put it. However, that's not something that needs to be public nor is it really any of our business. More so, even if it was our business and I did ask her about it, do you think she should share it? Should she come onto our show and rip into the company that contracted her for the past few years? She could and maybe she will someday but even then what might that accomplish?
Everyone always wants to know more and get the inside scoop and all of the details and I fully understand that. However, just because she had her reasons doesn't mean I need to ask about them or that she needs to share them. It's clearly been a very challenging subject for her for more than a year now and if I knew she wanted to talk about it in depth, I would have asked her just that.
If respecting our players for reasons not everyone understands is bad journalism or perhaps 'soft' then I guess I'm guilty.
- We all know it's tough to respond here without trying to sound defensive and I appreciate the feedback. I just don't believe our weekly podcast is the time or place for 'gotcha' or interrogating questions.
- And finally - no where do I claim to be a journalist.
Seriously this just cements my opinion of her.
I would like to know more about the problem and the contract terms.
The whole ordeal or her acting like a baby in this has made me not like/care about her.
You never heard Prodigy had mouthiing her or removing her from their advertising.
The way I see it is she signed a contract and failed on her end of it for the whole year, she signed it and should own up to her obligations of said deal.
I would not touch her with a 10 foot pole for any endorsement/sponsorship deals based on her previous actions of the year. Especially after she had bad mouthed Prodigy while drinking on a live Smashboxx tv episode.
She should have gotten legal help and got out of the contract if it was so bad/horrible at Prodigy and her DD deal could have started earlier since she was not hiding the fact she was throwing some DD already.
So in a nutshell...IMHO...PP is something that goes in the toilet.:thmbdown:.
Also Terry can spill the beans on this now, since he has had privileged info on this for almost a year now. Come on DG internet jouranalism!
IMO PP handled the whole deal like an amateur.
You want to grow the pro side of the sport, then act like a professional and carry out your contract.
If the controversy started after Prodigy chose Cat over her, well then suck it up, perhaps she's just the better player.
She basically showed everyone that if she doesn't get her way, then she's no longer interested in being a good spokesperson.
If this was the real world, and not pro disc golf, then she probably would have been let go from her employment.
Agreed.
How long does she stay happy with DD till she pulls this same thing with them?
Hey I don't know the specifics either and am willing to admit such.
My point was that from all outward appearances, Prodigy was still keeping up their end of the contract.
If not, PP would have been able to cut ties sooner.
So it would follow that PP just wasn't happy and then acted unprofessionally (IMO) while waiting out her contract.
My point is that if you want to be treated as a professional and draw respect from outside of our sport, then it all starts with how you handle your business within the sport.
Also my personal experience with her was getting treated badly while spotting at a tournament. She sawed off a shot and was clearly OB. I understand the heat of competition, but what clearly separates great athletes with class, is how they react when they're playing bad.
Most contracts are performance based.
But DD / lat really upset a lot of people with the Paige situation this past year.
As I posted a month ago, jerm to innova. He's been throwing innova casually and non sanctioned stuff but even a few weeks ago in south florida he threw prodigy. The ace video proves that.
But these companies are really upsetting a lot of people within the sport.
Paige has lost a lot of crediability and with her actions come DD. That's what I was referring to.
^ not to say she was wrong for throwing DD when under contract for Prodigy but behind closed doors who really knows what the bad blood was coming from. I remember seeing something about her not getting sent to Europe when she was clearly the top female player (They sent Cat) on the team and something about possibly not getting the extra dollars for winning worlds? Not sure if it was because of what she said about how she shouldn't have won it or if the company said she shouldn't have won there for we are not paying. Jerm made a point last night saying they needed 90 days notice before end of contract so im guessing she might have missed the date at the end of 2015 and they automatically made her sign for another year.
Do you listen to what falls out of your mouth?
She wanted to leave the company and it wouldn't let her. She then wanted to get "fired" and the company wouldn't let go. Rather stupid on part of Prodigy to not cut ties--the company's best FPO player openly in revolt and it insists on keeping her from signing elsewhere--not going to get any good publicity on that front.
You keep trying to insist that in some "real world" (as opposed to some "fake world" of disc golf?) that she'd suffer consequences of being fired--despite her not being an employee--when she was very much trying to get released. She wanted to "get fired." So that would have been a very good thing, despite your repeated insistence to the contrary.
The company was preventing her from moving on and she responded in a fashion that provided it with real consequences for its bad behavior. It could have cut its losses and moved on, yet didn't.
All of these posts about "what Paige Pierce did" and "how Paige Pierce handles this and that," when in reality NO ONE who commented above KNOWS what really happened. In general, to judge someone else's actions without knowing facts is pretty self-absorbed, indignant, and, frankly, ***American***. And if someone purports that he DOES KNOW details of Paige's situation with Prodigy, and cannot produce evidence of such (the old "I know this blah-blah-blah, but I can't say, just trust me I know), is pure hogwash. If you know then put your facts forth. If you don't then it's my opinion that your judgement is simply without merit. Who knows??? Maybe Paige and Prodigy worked her exit out and agreed to the terms -- we don't know, so you can't accurately comment on that. Maybe "opinion-wise" but not accurately.
So, all that to say, how can you pre-judge PP or anyone else without facts. Maybe she and her company had some understanding. And to call her "unprofessional" in an interview because of what was basically a "no comment" response is really conjuncture. "No comment" is not something YOU get to unabashedly read stuff into. Maybe on DGCR ... but not the real world.
Did he imply the thunderbird may be his tour series disc? "may be some other thunderbirds shortly, but not right now".As much as I would have liked to see something "different" (champ whippet anyone?) this makes sense for what will sell to the masses.
So, all that to say, how can you pre-judge PP or anyone else without facts. Maybe she and her company had some understanding. And to call her "unprofessional" in an interview because of what was basically a "no comment" response is really conjuncture. "No comment" is not something YOU get to unabashedly read stuff into. Maybe on DGCR ... but not the real world.
I thought the same thing when he said that. I'm sure his bag will change a bit, if it were me I wouldn't be in a rush to choose something right now. If he keeps it I could see a big jerm colossus having a sweet stamp.
He's using a star rather than champ thunderbird, right? Maybe the star version is still available as a sig disc since mcbeth has the champ version..
wait, so who is a communist?
I agree with some of your points, however the point being, "If I asked her should she or would she even answer" is irrelevant. If she says "I decline to answer" that is fine. But it could also break tension and allow her to really open up.