Are we just making things up with nose angle stuff now?

[disc-golf-neil]

How many times has sidewinder missed his blow up mattress and blasted it into a wall maybe it's got some screws loose

 

[Clint Easterly]

You can trick it for sure with pre swing movements. They are working on an error readout for when it senses this.

 

[Nick Carroll]

I once missed my net entirely and sent my TechDisc into a neighbor's yard. Thankfully no repercussions outside of making my neighbor laugh.

 

[RowingBoats]

You can trick it for sure with pre swing movements. They are working on an error readout for when it senses this.

Haha, ya I do some back/forward pumps before I throw typically. Probably mostly because I only throw stand-still style and it helps me get a rhythm going, but I tried NOT to do this with the tech disc because i thought this would happen.

 

[Sewer bill]

How many times has sidewinder missed his blow up mattress and blasted it into a wall maybe it's got some screws loose

I think the direct hit to the car a pillar was worse but it's definitely possible.

 

[Sewer bill]

Interesting. I can't really vouch for the spin rate or angles it throws out, but they seemed plausibly accurate. My speed was 60+, and under 65 on my throws I tried which was almost exactly what I expected.

I can throw a slightly turning fairly standard drive with a wave right around 430-450' so...it seemed to line up with what I tend to actually see when I play.

I didn't read about any best practices, but I had heard that it calibrates itself with a moment of being stationary before a throw, so I did try to let it have that moment. I have absolutely no clue if that affects the output or not though.

Try a little approach shot into a net. Something you know would only go about 200' then go full power, see what the mph change is.

 

[StupendousMan]

@disc-golf-neil

I did try that combination yep, effect for me was a big reduction on hyzer angle. Had one that was crazy nose down that way but couldn't replicate it.

Will definitely start compiling into data sets and actual throw sets etc, but it was night one and I just had to have my fun cracking a few beers and messing around!

I definitely don't want to get caught up chasing numbers with it, but it does seem like it can be a really useful tool for me, especially when winter hits.

 

[disc-golf-neil]

@disc-golf-neil

I did try that combination yep, effect for me was a big reduction on hyzer angle. Had one that was crazy nose down that way but couldn't replicate it.

Will definitely start compiling into data sets and actual throw sets etc, but it was night one and I just had to have my fun cracking a few beers and messing around!

I definitely don't want to get caught up chasing numbers with it, but it does seem like it can be a really useful tool for me, especially when winter hits.

My guess as to the change in hyzer angle is due to a change in your arm plane / hyzer lean either from the changed disc orientation creating more urge to modify the swing plane to more of an anhyzer arc and / or posture to be more anhyzer. Perhaps if you exaggerate a normal throw on a lot of hyzer, like >=30 and then do the turn the key with that same exaggeration you might see only a small difference in hyzer. That's happened to mebefore too.

When briefcasing or changing the grip alignment to where you see the rim opposite of where you grip angled on more anhyzer, it's very tempting to follow that angle if your body / mind isn't used to knowing / feeling that the disc orientation like that is temporary if it's going to be turned with turn the key.

 

[Sewer bill]

What are the exact steps to reproduce? I'll see if I can reproduce it. And did you try resetting it?

I've had mine get stuck reading throws I know to normally be 60+ as high 40s and low 50s but it hasn't been a problem because it's been accurate enough, enough of the time, to know that something is off and then a few restarts or charging the battery so it's not on low battery fixes it. So I don't think I've every been fooled in a big way by a speed glitch because it's obvious when it happens once you have a large sample of baseline stats to draw from.

Just like if you used a radar gun and it read your throw as 20 mph faster randomly or slower you'd know right away the reading was off and disregard it if you had thrown many times into a radar gun before.

Exact steps.

1. Throw any throw, throw again to verify it's updating.

2. Throw an approach shot like your 200' feet out. Whif it standstill. What should be a 30-40mph will record as a low 50s.

3. Wail on it full power. What should be a high 50s-mid 60s depending on the person will be in the mid 50s.

4. Observe massive velocity change between both throws and tech disc will only note a couple mph increase.

I have thrown in front of a radar and never got the tech disc to record as high of mph. That's not the problem I can live with that. It's that 3 people were able to perform the exact same test and get low 50s when we all know what low 50s looks like and nobody was actually throwing low 50s for the whiffed approach shot. Plus the harder throws were all recorded as 50s as well even though they were unequivocally irrefutably faster throws. The scales are off.

 

[Clint Easterly]

Exact steps.

1. Throw any throw, throw again to verify it's updating.

2. Throw an approach shot like your 200' feet out. Whif it standstill. What should be a 30-40mph will record as a low 50s.

3. Wail on it full power. What should be a high 50s-mid 60s depending on the person will be in the mid 50s.

4. Observe massive velocity change between both throws and tech disc will only note a couple mph increase.

I have thrown in front of a radar and never got the tech disc to record as high of mph. That's not the problem I can live with that. It's that 3 people were able to perform the exact same test and get low 50s when we all know what low 50s looks like and nobody was actually throwing low 50s for the whiffed approach shot. Plus the harder throws were all recorded as 50s as well even though they were unequivocally irrefutably faster throws. The scales are off.

As someone who has tested vs a radar gun on multiple occasions, I've never seen anything like this. I've recorded putts, warmups, trained quite a few people with it. I've never seen it just misrecording all over the place.

 

[Sheep]

As someone who has tested vs a radar gun on multiple occasions, I've never seen anything like this. I've recorded putts, warmups, trained quite a few people with it. I've never seen it just misrecording all over the place.

There have been some other people reporting the same thing bill has said.

They figured out some ways to trick it also.

 

[Sheep]

Thought someone might drop it in here. but ..
They didn't.
So. Here ya go.

 

[Kennets]

Thought someone might drop it in here. but ..
They didn't.
So. Here ya go.

Good stuff bud. Really put some thoughts into perspective regarding my own throw, specially the "muscled" reach back, that's something I struggle with

 

[RowingBoats]

There have been some other people reporting the same thing bill has said.

They figured out some ways to trick it also.

I think any device like this is going to have some troubles, its trying to measure some crazy shiz lol.

Knowing the ways it can mess up is a good thing imo, so people can avoid doing that.

 

[RowingBoats]

Thought someone might drop it in here. but ..
They didn't.
So. Here ya go.

This is a great video dude, like top tier. I have almost the exact same thoughts about this topic but its very nice to just have it manifested in a video. Hopefully people spend the time to watch.

 

[disc-golf-neil]

Exact steps.

1. Throw any throw, throw again to verify it's updating.

2. Throw an approach shot like your 200' feet out. Whif it standstill. What should be a 30-40mph will record as a low 50s.

3. Wail on it full power. What should be a high 50s-mid 60s depending on the person will be in the mid 50s.

4. Observe massive velocity change between both throws and tech disc will only note a couple mph increase.

I have thrown in front of a radar and never got the tech disc to record as high of mph. That's not the problem I can live with that. It's that 3 people were able to perform the exact same test and get low 50s when we all know what low 50s looks like and nobody was actually throwing low 50s for the whiffed approach shot. Plus the harder throws were all recorded as 50s as well even though they were unequivocally irrefutably faster throws. The scales are off.

When the tech disc isn't glitching out between soft and hard throws, what would you say is the average difference in you max speed between tech disc and radar?