Threw one of the new Swedish Cloudbreakers today, as well as a Royal grand Rive. Both of these discs are new to me. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned wanting a head to head comparison of the two discs, so here goes. I'm going to talk more about the Cloudbreaker here than the Rive. I'll discuss the Rive further in the Rive thread.
Cloudbreaker is 174g. Rive is 173g. Cloudbreaker has a nice dome. Not absolutely ridiculous, but about as far from flat as you can get. Rive has a mild dome. Not really flat, but not domey either.
I've thrown quite a few DD3s across many iterations of the mold. This new Cloudbreaker today might be the best one I've seen yet. The plastic seems top notch, and reminds me of ESP. Shiny, yet grippy and very slightly gummy without being at all floppy. Considering the new Cloudbreaker costs $25 you'd think they'd use good plastic. Here they definitely did.
This disc flies wonderfully, and true to the numbers (12, 5, -1, 3). The Cloudbreaker will hold a line well without wanting to fade out prematurely or too harshly. Glide is superb, and the disc almost seems to float at times when you really smash it. The Cloudbreaker won't turn super easily. I figure you need 400' power to really see any. This disc did very well on full power rips, and flew great on high, anny lines. The harder you're able to smash this thing the better it will perform. I was able to mash it out to 450' a couple times, which is pretty long for me with a speed 12 disc. Discmania got this disc right, and I feel like the Swedish Cloudbreaker performs great. Anyone wanting a really good Destroyer-type flight should take a look at this one.
Now, as for the Rive.... overall I found it to fly the same distance as the Cloudbreaker on most throws, but on different lines. The Rive is a speed faster (13) than the Cloudbreaker, and you notice that immediately. The Rive is zippier out of the hand. The Rive had a little high speed turn, but, again, I had to throw it pretty hard to see the turn. The Rive seemed to lack glide somewhat, and I feel like it lost energy quickly and started looking for the ground. The fade on the Rive was fairly sudden, and sharp. Honestly, the Rive wasn't as long as I was expecting. The below average glide coupled with a sudden fade cost this disc at least 30' on most throws.
Average distance with the Rive was probably 420'. On most rounds of throws it and the Cloudbreaker landed very close to each other. The Cloudbreaker had a couple longer throws, mainly due to better glide. Both discs fight wind decently. The Rive looks to be a good headwind performer.
Given numbers for the Rive are 13, 5, 0, 3.5. Based on the one I threw today I'd say it's more like 13, 4, -1, 4. The Rive is fast and will turn, but glide was unexceptional, and the fade kind of took over mid-flight. Even when I wrenched the Rive over anny it would fight out of it quickly and start hyzering. This is a fairly overstable disc.
Which disc would I choose if I bagged one? Cloudbreaker. I just liked it better. There's nothing horribly wrong with the Rive. It performed fine, and I got consistent throws out of it. Rive seemed to shine more when thrown in the wind. The Rive is obviously a driver for very big arms. I'm sure guys who throw 500' probably love it. I'd be curious to try the Rive at sea level.