That's actually a great video of him driving. I agree he's doing a bit of a wide rail pull there. Plus notice how he almost keeps his head facing forward the entire time.
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I disagree. The head of the hammer must be kept back if you want to leverage it. Once the head passes your hand, it's momentum is set.Those drawings are wrong though. The top-right and bottom-left the pink hammer should be rotated 90 degrees to the right (head pointing towards the target), the bottom middle the entire image should be rotated 90 degrees to the right and the bottom-right one is all screwey.
You can be rotating, but still closed. I think of it as being braced still so you can leverage and release the arm. Jamie Sadlowski said his shoulder is still closed at impact.I have been seeing lots of comments about keeping the shoulders closed until the disc is under the right pec, but from the looks of that McBeth video- he already starts rotating the hips and shoulders as he guides it in- so its in under the left pec instead-
Is there a benefit to either way? Is one method more efficient than the other?
I disagree. The head of the hammer must be kept back if you want to leverage it. Once the head passes your hand, it's momentum is set.
You can be rotating, but still closed. I think of it as being braced still so you can leverage and release the arm. Jamie Sadlowski said his shoulder is still closed at impact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfIQgr1ojvg#t=3m15s
It's a small distinction, but hammering to the right changes things for me at in the very last bit. Feeling like you're trying to hammer to the right doesn't mean I hold it to the right, but I think it helps get my extension out front.
Maybe I'm crazy, but it feels like I'm slinging it where I paused it when the disc is out front.
Forgive the sloppy form, this is from early days with the wide rail, but the disc WILL eject so hard, regardless of your grip strength and for me it promotes when to put the final "umph" into the disc. No grip lock, minimal body strain.
you're NOT crazy, this is exactly what I feel. you pound the hammer head (pink) forward directly towards the target (I reference it by where my thumb is pointing), and then the momentum/mass of the disc starts going forward simultaneous to your shoulders tugging to the side/outward (bradley walker's outward pull) -- which makes it feel like you're slinging/flinging the crap out of the disc. this is the IN/OUT in the diagrams I made before. IN is the pound, OUT is the sling. Pounding it (IN) gets your pinch point to ~3 o'clock on the disc (right where you paused it), then the sling part is what gets you from 3 to 4-4:30
I disagree. The head of the hammer must be kept back if you want to leverage it. Once the head passes your hand, it's momentum is set.
I agree that you would keep it back, and then leverage it forward; but at the part of the throw referenced in that drawing, it should have already been leveraged forward. It's hard to reference this drawing because in order to get the pink hammer where it's supposed to be, you would have to redraw the hand/wrist/arm/shoulders for it to make sense.
Any ideas on what to add/change/remove/etc... in order to improve it? Ideally I would like to have it so that people referencing it can understand what's happening, and try to cut down on all the confusion of people trying to describe things through text.Okay, then I completely understand what that diagram meant! It was a bit hazy before.
Nice, that sounds like what I do as well! You can increase your lock finger pressure too so that it has to fight harder to eject and pivot out away from your palm -- Blake talks about that in the myth of disc pivot thread. You will get numb finger tips as if you were learning to play the guitarMy grip has changed to accommodate this slinging too, mainly in that my index finger is more like a hook, and the thump puts pressure on the 2nd knuckle to lock the hook into place as snug as possible.
Yeah, i remember you posting that but i was too lazy to go look for it to reference. It makes much more sense like this!
Page 1, I was saying the same thing.
Any ideas on what to add/change/remove/etc... in order to improve it? Ideally I would like to have it so that people referencing it can understand what's happening, and try to cut down on all the confusion of people trying to describe things through text.
Nice, that sounds like what I do as well! You can increase your lock finger pressure too so that it has to fight harder to eject and pivot out away from your palm -- Blake talks about that in the myth of disc pivot thread. You will get numb finger tips as if you were learning to play the guitar
It's not for a lack of trying, but I haven't had much luck in really getting past that last explanation in this thread: hammering to the right.
You guys are crazy.