Shoulder timing

[Tyler2781]

Hello, first time posting. Trying to work on getting elbow out farther before extension (i think thats what im supposed to do) but i think the problem is my lead shoulder is opening early? Any tips/critique greatly appreciated!

https://youtu.be/ORjknL6P0wE

 

[sidewinder22]

Your x-step is putting you too far off balance behind your rear foot which compromises the rest of the backswing and forward swing. CoG behind foot slows it down. You can accelerate faster without the x-step.

Your shoulders are barely turned or pulled back going into the plant, so your upper arm is collapsed too much to the chest. If you get balanced on the rear leg, you can get your torso/shoulders turned further back the upper arm should widen the angle from the chest so the elbow is forward relative to the shoulders from the beginning as the hips/CoG lead the stride.

 

[Tyler2781]

wow thanks so much. ill work on cog balance and check these drills out

 

[Tyler2781]

hey sidewinder ive been trying the drills out over the weekend. Mostly focusing on getting momentum forward with legs. I think my upper body is still trying to spin instead of go forward but i think im moving in the right direction. Thanks again for feedback!

https://youtu.be/EIFPfOxX6Hc

 

[sidewinder22]

Looks pretty good for being so restricted by your rear foot, your rear foot needs to turn like 90 degree further away to free up the hips the backswing.

 

[Tyler2781]

hey sidewinder spent the last week or so trying to get my arm timing down. Read alot about getting elbow forward which kept making me try to throw with arm. Decided to just focus on trying to keep that 90 degree arm/chest angle until release and that felt alot better. Started to swing arm forward before throw I feel like it helps me with timing (elephant walk drill). Thanks!

https://youtu.be/MfNnwgK_E3Q

 

[sidewinder22]

Your setup is knee knocked and crouched into bad posture. Setup standing more upright and relaxed and natural and maintaining torsion in the knees. Don't try to bend your knees in the setup, you need dynamic motion to bend one or the other as you move, never bending both knees together in a swing.

Note how your CoG moves back all the way to the top of the backswing and your rear knee is behind your ankle. Note how my CoG has started moving and transitioning targetward going to the top of the backswing creating separation from the disc/backswing and my rear knee has maintained brace inside ankle. Door Frame Drill your CoG should be going targetward striding into the plant as the door frame pulls your shoulders further back to the top.

Note how your rear knee went under the hip without really driving the hip/CoG forward of the foot. Also note how your swing starts high and elbow drops down low to the release, my elbow is going low to high as centripetal force is pulling it taut and up like a tetherball.

Go in slow motion with shoulders closed and elbow up and hammer out from center chest.

 

[Tyler2781]

Mainly focusing on legwork/cog notes this week (didnt try hammer out drill yet). Watched an old shawn clement weightshift video you posted and i think the falling into brace started to click. Hopefully this is a little better. Thanks!!

https://youtu.be/RTZR2oxjWC0

 

[sidewinder22]

The finish looks a little better.

Your setup is pigeon toed and knee knocked in a too wide stance. You need to setup in neutral joint alignment and get dynamic during the backswing.

Setup in slightly narrower stance like 3-6" with front foot turned open, and then turn it back with everything else turning back in the backswing as you stride forward into plant.

Try open to closed drill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwy1HNMfhbk#t=6m57s

 

[Tyler2781]

hey sidewinder,
Worked on getting more neutral in stance this week. Also started working on the hammer out from chest to get disc more out in front. Thanks!

https://youtu.be/nQGKrsRjiBM

 

[seedlings]

If the hips and shoulders stay parallel throughout the throw, there is no power. The shoulders lag the hips, and the arm lags the shoulders.

 

[sidewinder22]

hey sidewinder,
Worked on getting more neutral in stance this week. Also started working on the hammer out from chest to get disc more out in front. Thanks!

https://youtu.be/nQGKrsRjiBM

Looking better. Now turn with hips more centered inside posture/feet/knees and start hips shifting forward earlier while turning back in backswing.

1. Note how I extend my swing out to target with body staying more neutral/closed and stacked upright. You open up your body/collapse hip and barely extend your swing.

2. Note how my rear hip is braced up going targetward counter-clockwise. I shifted back and then turned back while shifting forward. Your rear hip is collapsing back going away from target counter-clockwise and head goes past foot. So you are trying to turn while shifting same direction which doesn't work well to do either. Shift then turn-shift then turn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5xfv9jPqZs#t=3m11s

 

[Tyler2781]

Coming back from a short break due to arm injury. Trying to focus on last comments about staying more neutral and shifting with better timing. I feel like im delaying shoulders a little more, but doesnt look like it in video. Thanks!

https://youtu.be/N34O7yifV_U

 

[sidewinder22]

Your rear knee is locked out and pushing or tipping your upper body over, instead of knee bending and swiveling underneath.

 

[Tyler2781]

Shifting was a little iffy today but i was mainly focusing on that back knee. Still trying to delay shoulders too by just pulling discs to chest at start. Thanks!

https://youtu.be/tKIQ78M3SXU

 

[sidewinder22]

Leg go of the arm/disc and swing back and forth and go into the throw. You are too static and careful and trying to do to much.

 

[Tyler2781]

coming back from a long break. been looking over this thread/practicing for a few weeks. This is where I am at now. Any advice much appreciated!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw-fumpH0p0

 

[Tyler2781]

Starting to work on form again from awhile back. Greatly appreciate any feedback!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhoNOsdUTNI

 

[sidewinder22]

Your x-step is putting you too far off balance behind your rear foot which compromises the rest of the backswing and forward swing. CoG behind foot slows it down. You can accelerate faster without the x-step.

Your shoulders are barely turned or pulled back going into the plant, so your upper arm is collapsed too much to the chest. If you get balanced on the rear leg, you can get your torso/shoulders turned further back the upper arm should widen the angle from the chest so the elbow is forward relative to the shoulders from the beginning as the hips/CoG lead the stride.

A lot of this ^ still applies.

Your footwork is not helping you, I would scrap the x-step. You are slowing down on the rear leg instead of accelerating/falling into the plant. You can accelerate faster in a standstill or like a pitcher stride or Hershyzer drill.

Your front leg is stepping too far out/over and opening up instead of turning further back into the rear leg and turning frontside further back closed. Since your frontside is opening up early you have no power pocket to swing the disc into with shoulders/chest still closed to target.

 

[Tyler2781]

Sorry not the greatest examples just want to see if im working in the right direction... Mostly focusing on the falling backward into brace/ hershyzer stuff. Back leg really wants to stride forward after brace in the drills.

hershyzer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwdv0186G6U
field work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGFXcgx73WU

Thanks again!!!