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Sioux Passage - Original

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tdortch
Bronze level trusted reviewer
Experience: 16.9 years 84 played 34 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Hike & Play 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 2, 2009 Played the course:once

Pros:

Very nice, well maintained park. Most people have already covered all of that anyway, but it is a great looking course. My big surprise was reading that this course doesn't get much play. If I lived here, I would play it much more often than JB or Endicott (the only other two courses I have played here). I''m not knocking either of those courses, as they are great for what they are, but Sioux Passage is just something special. There are Hyzer and Anhyzer shots, uphill (and I mean BIG uphill) and downhill, trails to walk around on if you wanna take a break, technical and wide open holes. That being said, most of the wide open holes are pretty long and some are long and uphill. Big fun, so long as you don't expect to 2 or 3 everything. I loved it. One of my favorite courses to date.

Cons:

- I didn't really find the distance between the front and back a con, but only because a friend told me about it and advised that I drive down there. Very good advice, 'cause after that back nine, I was kinda wiped out. But, the weird thing is, there is no mention of it anywhere on the "Disc Golf Information" sign that's right by the 1st tee. I would bet that some folks think it's only a 9-holer.
- No course map or scorecards.
- WTF is it with St Louis courses and the lack of maps at the tees? You either walk the course twice (up to see the pin, back to tee off, then back again), or throw and pray. Both suck in my book.
- The tee box for 9 is in a ridiculous spot. Straight down a hill, only to walk straight back up it. Maybe 8 has a pin placement that puts you down there already, but if not, stoopid!

Note though that most of these will only effect the first-timer, although I only saw one pin position. I could be just as lost next time if they are in different locations. So, come on StL Disc Golf Club, make us some friggin signs already!

Other Thoughts:

Even with all of my gripes about signage, I'll play this course every time I get a chance. Absolutely a must play if you're in the area.

A few nuggets:
- Hole 7 - very narrow tunnel shot that is also uphill to a blind basket. Wild!
- Hole 11 - big downhill annie shot with the basket tucked in right behind some trees.
- Hole 13 - my favorite on the course! It was in the 548' position and me and my weenie arm drove it about 480 - 490, which is about 180 longer than i can normally throw. Awesome view from the tee pad to a way downhill basket surrounded by pine trees. If I had a 4 wheeler to get back up there, I'd play that one several times!
- Hole 16 - 615', mostly downhill with what I guess was OB grass on each side. (it's a guess because of...NO SIGNS!). Cool hole though. Ends right by a basketball court.

Stop here. Bring your GPS, lots of water, and good shoes.
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REDARMY
Silver level trusted reviewer
Experience: 15.9 years 53 played 35 reviews
3.50 star(s)

LOOOOOOOOOONG! 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Oct 18, 2008 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Great design to the course, great integration into the terrain, and the course is relatively out-of-the-way so foot traffic is sparse at best.

The 4x4's at the holes marking which pin location is being used and how far it is is a great recent addition to the course.

Tees are always clear of debris and trash cans at most every hole keep litter to a minimum. Maintainance of the park otherwise is always top-notch.

Plenty of variety between pins and tees in and out of woods, uphill/downhill, and hyzer/ anhyzer shots. Big arms are favored here, but weenies such as myself have a legit shot through superior accuracy.

Probably the most picturesque course in St. Louis.

Cons:

Signage between holes to point you in the direction of the next could be MUCH better (especially for hole 12 which is tucked back into the woods).

No indication in the park signage of where to park for the front nine, where the back nine is, or how to get there.

Holes 4 and 10 have benches to sit at, but otherwise, you're sitting on concrete ledges (not the most comfortable) or standing. Given the length of this course and the terrain, a few benches would be a cheap and welcome addition.

Another porta-john or two would be a good idea as well. There's a righteous bathroom at the Lenz shelter before the front nine, and a row of porta-johns before the back, but in between there's nothing. Given the length of the course, another facility or two would be welcome.

If you don't have a big arm, you'll get frustrated at this course, especially with the "C" and "D" pin locations.

Other Thoughts:

Alcohol consumption at this park is by RESERVATION ONLY!!! (for private parties at the numerous pavillions).

Local wisdom (mine) says people watching the course for such violations are very few and far between. Local wisdom (others) says that if you do get caught, as long as you treat the park rangers with respect and don't have 47 beers with you, you'll be fine.

If you're looking for a scorecard but can't find them (as another reviewer stated above), check the BACK of the info kiosk at the first tee. An odd place to put them for sure, but I imagine they're there (and not in front) to keep vandals from grabbing the whole stack and tossing 'em around like confetti. The aforementioned scorecards DO have rudmentary maps on them that are accurate enough to get you pointed in the right direction, but they, along with the rest of the (lack of) park signage, don't tell you how to get to the back 9.
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milythael
Experience: 25.9 years 16 played 1 reviews
4.00 star(s)

My Favorite Course in St. Louis 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Nov 1, 2008 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Great use of hills and elevation change. On the front nine there are several opportunities to just let her rip. The whole course is beautiful.

Cons:

Some of the holes are very long for the casual player. It can sometimes be hard to figure out where the next tee is, like on nine where the tee is buried 80 feet into the woods and down a hill.

Other Thoughts:

Bring water with you, especially on the back nine. You climb the same huge hill three times on the back nine. The last 3 holes are pretty technical so if your stamina isn't up to snuff, you might consider playing the back nine first.
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Purple Dog
Experience: 5 played 5 reviews
4.00 star(s)

The prettiest I've played. 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 25, 2008 Played the course:once

Pros:

Everyone seems impressed with how well this course is maintained.......and I can see why. The grass, the trees, and the overall spaciousness of this course make it a "have-to-play". We played it on a Saturday and there was only one other group out there. It's just a really nice course set in a scenic location. Overall, it's mostly open but there are just enough trees to combine with the rolling terrain to keep it interesting.

Cons:

It's long. If you don't have a big arm, you'll probably get a little frustrated. I played it with my wife and daughter and they were ready to leave after the front 9.

You have to drive to the back 9 and I found that a little odd. The back 9 also had a guy practicing archery right beside one of the baskets. (definitely not a good idea) And it also had a group of 20-25 people sliding down a hill on a block of ice. Some of the holes are hard to find unless you've played here before.

It's quite a ways out to this course. If we hadn't brought the Garmin, I'm not sure we would've found it.

Other Thoughts:

If you're in St. Louis, you'll definitely want to play this one.
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ferretdance03
Bronze level trusted reviewer
Experience: 18.9 years 102 played 19 reviews
3.50 star(s)

Beautiful and Challenging 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jul 17, 2008 Played the course:never

Pros:

Sioux Passage is the most well maintained and manicured course on the St. Louis circuit. There are a multitude of bomber holes, and a few that require a good touch as well.
- Tee pads are excellent
- Great variety of left/right holes
- Some excellent elevation changes
- You get the feel you're playing at a country club
- Fairly easy to navigate
- Well designed 2 shot holes
- A lot of places to pick up strokes with long drives and accurate approaches

Other Thoughts:

- The separation between the front and back nines is odd, and can be frustrating if you're not aware of it
- I found the wide open fairways to be mostly pleasant, but some holes lacked a challenge
- There are few longer walks, and no benches to sit on. A stool/chair is recommended

If you like stretching your arm out on wide open fairways with well manicured grass, Sioux Passage will not disappoint you.
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An-Hyzer Bushes
Experience: 3 played 3 reviews
4.00 star(s)

One of my favorites 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jun 28, 2008 Played the course:never

Pros:

Always a different challenge with multiple pin placements, and new concrete tees with distances clearly marked for current pins. Open course with plenty of trees well placed to discourage the most accurate shooters. Some challenging up-hill climbs mixed with amazing lofty elevated tees make this a dream for big arms like me. Always kept up and clean. Seams like every time I go there the grass is freshly cut which is a plus for these types of long courses. This course has it's uniqueness in that you pretty much have to drive to the back nine, which some consider a "CON" but I think it adds to the character of the course.

Cons:

Signage should include maps especially for those longer holes where you can't see the pin from the tee. First time players have nothing to shoot at but hopes and dreams of getting closer to the pin. Somewhat hard to find, and easy to miss when driving down the two lane street to find it.

Other Thoughts:

If you're looking for a course to air it out, this is it! Don't expect too many birdies unless you have a huge arm, or a surgical putt. If Sioux Passage is too long for your arm, try the "Yin" to this course's "Yang" located a few miles down the street, heading west, at White Birch Park. (see my review on this short, yet fun course)
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CaptainKickAss
Experience: 22.1 years 23 played 10 reviews
5.00 star(s)

The Premier STL DG Course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jun 1, 2008 Played the course:never

Pros:

This course is simply spectacular. The course includes great elevation changes and a great amount of variety. The course is well designed, and requires a perfect combination of power and control. The park itself is extremely well maintained, and the land has really been used to its utmost potential. No two holes are really the same, and by the time you are done with 18 holes you will have really tapped into every skill that you have. The course flows very well, and, with a few exceptions on the back 9, it is pretty easy to find your way from hole to hole.

Cons:

The separation between the front and back 9 is a bit odd. Truthfully though, either side of the course could stand on its own merits. There are one or two spots on the back 9 where the course is not marked as well as it probably could be.

Other Thoughts:

Even though this is the jewel of st. louis disc golf, it sees very limited traffic due to its location. If you go mid-week, don't be surprised if you are the only one on the course. While it is not very wooded, there are plenty of obstacles to work with. That said, this course is a must visit. If you do make the trip, make sure you come ready to hike, as some of the hills provide quite the work out.
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rlangton
Experience: 15 played 8 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Great Course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Jun 10, 2005 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Rolling hills, nicely wooded, beautiful park. Very good course design, varied challenges.

Several of the holes go back in the trees. Most holes are pretty open with baskets strategically placed to provide a challenge (often in a group of trees or in a clearing cut into the trees). There are some very fun valley and downhill shots that will get you to want to empty your bag.

Cons:

Some of the the folliage on the back 9 is thick enough if your disc goes in, you probably won't be getting it back out.

Other Thoughts:

I played it for months without realizing there was a back 9. As others have said, make sure you drive to the back 9 after finishing the front.
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darnella
Experience: 17.1 years 65 played 6 reviews
4.00 star(s)

2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 16, 2008 Played the course:never

Pros:

beutiful well maintained course good variety of pin placements and distances

Cons:

could use better signs with hole diagrams so you dont have to walk to see where the baskets are at but not that big of deal wish i didnt have to hike or drive to the back nine but like the other con no big deal

Other Thoughts:

will definetly be my first stop when i am in stl.
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Shaggy
Experience: 17.7 years 5 played 4 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Pleasant and Painful 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 12, 2008 Played the course:never

Pros:

Even in the deadwooded winter, this course is beautiful. If you've got a love for driving your disc, you've found the right place. Though, it is possible to play with a mid-range, I do it just out of preference. If you find the front nine to be a pleasant view, just wait til' you get to the back of the course. Not to mention the holes are a blast! Rolling hills and Trees create excellent obstacles.

Cons:

If you don't have a big arm, you may become angry at your shots, but there's never a need to get angry at such a relaxing sport. 9 can be a pain in the arse at the tee but keep it straight and you will be just fine. Walking up and down that big ole' hill can wear you out.

Other Thoughts:

I've played amongst deer grazing and in the middle of a game have often just checked out some of the trails. Very rad park to just walk around, especially at 70 degree weather!
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The Drake
Gold level trusted reviewer
Experience: 20.9 years 126 played 61 reviews
4.00 star(s)

2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:May 19, 2007 Played the course:never

Pros:

Sioux Passage is a beautiful course. Its very well kept. A long arms dream this course requires distance and a strong mental game. Its wide open so its hard to get into much trouble but if you struggle to throw 300 ft this course will leave you uttering your favorite expletives. The elevation changes make it even more challenging without just being ridiculous.

Cons:

As has been alluded to in other reviews the front 9 and back 9 are no where near each other, bring your hiking shoes or a golf cart. Hole 18 is really the only "bad" hole with a goofy second shot that requires just as much luck as skill to make.

Other Thoughts:

Coming from Birmingham we don't have a lot of courses with distance so playing this course was great for me. Being able to just bomb off the tee on nearly every hole is great if you don't usually have that option with your home course. It was definately my favorite course to play in St. Louis.
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Three Putt
Staff member
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Premium Member
Experience: 29.3 years 152 played 127 reviews
4.00 star(s)

God made this park to throw Frisbees in 2+ years

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Mar 26, 2008 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

If there is a top-notch pro-caliber course in St. Louis, this is it. This course is on the same level as the more highly regarded Waterworks course in Kansas City. Bring your driver; there are no pitch and putt holes on this one. Big shots designed for long arms abound. There is only one "heavily wooded" hole (hole #9) but there are plenty of trees to negotiate on the rest of the course. The park features lots of rolling hills and the course design takes advantage of this with some tough uphill shots. The course has concrete tees and multiple pin placements (long, longer and waaaayyyy back there!) Actually the course is not as long as it once was, as the new high speed discs have brought some of these shots within reach for the average player. To combat this, there is some tall native grass on the back nine that was once casual that is now considered O.B., and nice adaptation to keep the course challenging. There is one hole on the front and three holes on the back where you have an elevated tee and can reach back and let 'er rip! The course is well maintained, and it is out of the way keeping the foot traffic down. All-in-all it is a real gem of a course.

Cons:

The park is very remote and hard to find. Once you do find it, the front and back nine are split. You actually should drive from the front to the back. You should do this because playing the back feels kind-of like hiking the Appalachian Trail. The holes flow logically, but there are some very long walks between holes. One of these long walks is up a particularly torturously steep hill. If you don't drive to the back, your car will be a long uphill walk away from you when you finish 18.
That being said, if you have never been there before it is easy to play the front nine and not know where to go to find the back nine. Also if you don't have a big drive and have little tolerance for 4's and 5's on your scorecard, you are not going to have a whole lot of fun.

Other Thoughts:

The more popular course in St. Louis is Jefferson Barracks. JB is not so remote and gets a lot more play, and it has some "short" pin placements that are actually short. As a result, it is the course most often recommended when visiting St. Louis. If you have the time and unlimited miles on your rental car, I'd encourage you to make an effort to play Sioux Passage. You will not be disappointed.
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