Worst fake rules ever invented

[creeper78]

So if one tees off and misses a mando, but doesn't like the location of the drop zone, said individual can call an optional rethrow. He then will get an opportunity (throwing 3) to get to a better/further position than throwing 3 from the drop zone? Of course, he also has the opportunity to miss the mando again. Is this correct?

 

[biscoe]

correct- optional rethrow with one stroke penalty is applicable to any shot.

 

[sidewinding]

So if one tees off and misses a mando, but doesn't like the location of the drop zone, said individual can call an optional rethrow. He then will get an opportunity (throwing 3) to get to a better/further position than throwing 3 from the drop zone? Of course, he also has the opportunity to miss the mando again. Is this correct?

I think that was the intent of the rules comittee when they changed this last year or two ago but like I have been saying it is not really 100% clear. It is very clear in the OB rule:

B. A player whose disc is considered out-of-bounds shall receive one penalty throw. The player may elect to play the next shot from:
(1) The previous lie as evidenced by the marker disc or, if the marker disc has been moved from an approximate lie, as agreed to by the majority of the group or an official; or (2) A lie that is up to one meter away from and perpendicular to the point where the disc last crossed into out-of-bounds, as determined by a majority of the group or an official. This holds true even if the direction takes the
lie closer to the hole; or (3) Within the designated Drop Zone, if provided.

 

[sidewinding]

correct- optional rethrow with one stroke penalty is applicable to any shot.

Not OB. If you go ob you get the penalty for OB then an optional rethrow for free. The 2m rule does not say this though.

 

[TOURNEYPLAYER]

^you would not get the ob stroke. you would get the optional rethrow stroke.

 

[sidewinding]

^you would not get the ob stroke. you would get the optional rethrow stroke.

No sir. Look three threads up and read the rule.

 

[kpc2004]

This thread went from really fun and entertaining to really stupid. Who cares about the optional rethrow or pulling up grass. You should start a thread called "Debate your interpretation of the PDGA rules" and stop taking a giant steaming dump on this thread.

 

[TOURNEYPLAYER]

No sir. Look three threads up and read the rule.

ok slick. then you are not using the optional rethrow. you are just choosing between your options when you go ob. whats the big deal??

 

[trifocal]

I was at the Western Golf Open a few years ago and Greg Norman was lining up a fiteen footer for bird on the back 9 of the final round. My girl friend and I were directly in his site line across the green, but a little below the surface elevation. He's just about ready to stand up and address his putt when my girl friend stands up (from kneeling) to get a better view. She was wearing a shocking bright Hawain shirt, with a nice tan and short shorts. Good grief. I wihisper "get down," but the damage was done. Norman looks up at the sky, takes a breathe and attemts to refocus, but to no avail. Misses the birdie and loses to Tom Watson in a playoff.

Have no idea why I thought of that just now. Sorry for the interuption. Please continue.

 

[sidewinding]

ok slick. then you are not using the optional rethrow. you are just choosing between your options when you go ob. whats the big deal??

The big deal is that it specifically states that when you go ob you can throw from your previous lie without an extra penalty stroke. It never says anywhere in the book that this also applies to 2 meter rule. You can throw an optional rethrow anytime you want but it is a one stoke penalty. If you are 2 meters and get a one stoke penalty and then take optional rethrow for one stoke penalty plus your previous throw. That's three strokes. That's a big deal...SLICK!

 

[krupicka]

You mean this one?

"I think CK addresses this in the Rules Q&A.

QA33: Penalty Rule Priorities
Q: Is there a priority order for which penalty rule should be applied if more than one applies?
A: Yes. The priority order that penalty rules should be applied is as follows: Missing a Mandatory, Out-of-Bounds, Disc Above Two Meters (when the two-meter rule in effect), and Lost Disc. For example, if a throw misses a mandatory and lands in an OB area, the player moves to the Mandatory's Drop Zone and receives a one-throw penalty. A player does not receive more than one penalty throw even if their throw violates more than one of those penalty rules.
Applicable Rules: 803.06 Optional Rethrow; 803.08 Disc Above or Below the Playing Surface; 803.09 Out-of-Bounds; 803.11 Lost Disc; 803.12 Mandatories"

Then no. An optional rethrow is not a penalty or a penalty throw or a penalty rule so therefore does not apply. We all know that if you miss a mando and then go in a tree that is over OB that you would only count one penalty which would be whichever you did first in this case missed the mando. This does not say that you then also get a free optional rethrow. The rulebook does specifically state that you get a free optional rethrow if you're OB but does not say it for 2m or missed mando.

You are incorrect. An optional rethrow does include a penalty throw:
At any time, a player may elect to rethrow from the previous lie as evidenced by the marker disc or, if the marker disc has been moved, from an approximate lie as agreed to by the majority of the group or an official. The original throw plus one penalty throw are counted in the player's score.

The optional rethrow takes precedence over a 2m penalty.

You added the last sentence. It is not in the rules.

I was highlight the fact that you said that optional rethrow is not a penalty throw. Taking the optional rethrow does include a penalty throw.

My apologies for not making clear which was a rules quote and which is an interpretation.

 

[mudslinger]

The big deal is that it specifically states that when you go ob you can throw from your previous lie without an extra penalty stroke. It never says anywhere in the book that this also applies to 2 meter rule.

what book are you reading? pdga rulebooks doesn't confirm any of that...here's what it says.

B. A player whose disc is considered out-of-bounds shall receive one penalty throw. The player may elect to play the next shot from:
(1) The previous lie as evidenced by the marker disc or, if the marker disc has been moved from an approximate lie, as agreed to by the majority of the group or an official; or (2) A lie that is up to one meter away from and perpendicular to the point where the disc last crossed into out-of-bounds, as determined by a majority of the group or an official. This holds true even if the direction takes the
lie closer to the hole; or (3) Within the designated Drop Zone, if provided. These options may be limited by the tournament director as a special condition (see 804.01).

 

[mudslinger]

803.08 Disc Above or Below the Playing Surface

A. If a disc comes to rest above the playing surface in a tree or other object on the course, its lie shall be marked on the playing surface directly below it. If the point directly below the disc above the playing surface is an out-of-bounds area, the disc shall be declared out-of-bounds and marked and penalized in accordance with 803.09. If the playing surface directly below the disc is inside a tree or other solid obstacle, the lie shall be marked on the line of play immediately behind the tree or other solid obstacle. The director may designate a one throw penalty for discs that come to rest two meters or higher above the playing surface. The director may declare the two meter rule to be in effect for the entire course, or just for individual objects.


C. If a disc has come to rest above two meters, as measured from the lowest point of the disc to the playing surface directly below it, the player shall be assessed a one-throw penalty. This penalty applies only if the disc is above in-bounds. The player shall proceed from a lie marked in accordance with 803.08 A.

 

[sidewinding]

My wife was playing in a tourney and she hit a telephone pole that had a wire going down the side and the wire gut a 3/4" gash in the rim of her go to Champion Beast. The only other female in the tourney was the TD's wife who imediately looked at my wifes disc and said "You cannot use that anymore because it is cracked and it's against the rules to use a cracked disc." She then told her if she got caught throwing it she would be disqualified from the tourney. Is a gash a crack?

 

[sidewinding]

what book are you reading? pdga rulebooks doesn't confirm any of that...here's what it says.

B. A player whose disc is considered out-of-bounds shall receive one penalty throw. The player may elect to play the next shot from:
(1) The previous lie as evidenced by the marker disc or, if the marker disc has been moved from an approximate lie, as agreed to by the majority of the group or an official; or (2) A lie that is up to one meter away from and perpendicular to the point where the disc last crossed into out-of-bounds, as determined by a majority of the group or an official. This holds true even if the direction takes the
lie closer to the hole; or (3) Within the designated Drop Zone, if provided. These options may be limited by the tournament director as a special condition (see 804.01).

I just posted that silly. That's for OB not 2m.

 

[sidewinding]

803.08 Disc Above or Below the Playing Surface

A. If a disc comes to rest above the playing surface in a tree or other object on the course, its lie shall be marked on the playing surface directly below it. If the point directly below the disc above the playing surface is an out-of-bounds area, the disc shall be declared out-of-bounds and marked and penalized in accordance with 803.09. If the playing surface directly below the disc is inside a tree or other solid obstacle, the lie shall be marked on the line of play immediately behind the tree or other solid obstacle. The director may designate a one throw penalty for discs that come to rest two meters or higher above the playing surface. The director may declare the two meter rule to be in effect for the entire course, or just for individual objects.


C. If a disc has come to rest above two meters, as measured from the lowest point of the disc to the playing surface directly below it, the player shall be assessed a one-throw penalty. This penalty applies only if the disc is above in-bounds. The player shall proceed from a lie marked in accordance with 803.08 A.

Exactly...and in my case it was above inbounds as in most cases. It's like you're on my side of the argument and don't even realize it.

 

[JSurmann]

My wife was playing in a tourney and she hit a telephone pole that had a wire going down the side and the wire gut a 3/4" gash in the rim of her go to Champion Beast. The only other female in the tourney was the TD's wife who imediately looked at my wifes disc and said "You cannot use that anymore because it is cracked and it's against the rules to use a cracked disc." She then told her if she got caught throwing it she would be disqualified from the tourney. Is a gash a crack?

Wow, I believe a crack would be similar to a puncture, ie, a hole all the way through. Gash = chunk in my book.

 

[mudslinger]

My wife was playing in a tourney and she hit a telephone pole that had a wire going down the side and the wire gut a 3/4" gash in the rim of her go to Champion Beast. The only other female in the tourney was the TD's wife who imediately looked at my wifes disc and said "You cannot use that anymore because it is cracked and it's against the rules to use a cracked disc." She then told her if she got caught throwing it she would be disqualified from the tourney. Is a gash a crack?

WIthout seeing it, it's hard to say if it's "wear and tear" or actually a crack/perforation. She was correct in her intrepretion of the rule, but it's a judgement call


802.01 - Discs Used in Play:

B. A disc which is cracked or perforated is illegal. See sections 802.01 D, E and F. A disc which is cracked during a round may be carried by the player, but not used, for the balance of the tournament. The player must immediately declare his intention to carry the newly cracked or broken disc to the group or be subject to penalty under 802.01


C. Players may not make post-production modification of discs which alter their original flight characteristics. This rule does not forbid inevitable wear and tear from usage during play or the moderate sanding of discs to smooth molding imperfections or scrape marks. Discs excessively sanded or painted with a material of detectable thickness are illegal. See sections 802.01 D, E and F.

D. Discs must be specifically approved by the director if questioned by another player or an official, but in no case shall the disc be approved if it violates any of the above specifications. Any specifically non-approved disc (per the director) shall be considered illegal, and the player shall be penalized in accordance with 802.01 E.

E. A player who carries an illegal disc during play shall receive two penalty throws, without a warning, if observed by two or more players of the group or an official. A player who repeatedly throws an illegal disc during the round may be subject to disqualification in accordance with Section 3.3 of the PDGA Competition Manual.

 

[mudslinger]

Exactly...and in my case it was above inbounds as in most cases. It's like you're on my side of the argument and don't even realize it.

i honestly have no idea what your side is anymore... i don't know where you come up with the term "free optional rethrow"...that is NOT a defined term in any book. There is "optional rethrow" aka the old unplayable/unwanted lie rule, but that carries stroke and distance penalty. there are no "free" throws in DG other than provisionals and stance violations.

 

[sidewinding]

i honestly have no idea what your side is anymore... i don't know where you come up with the term "free optional rethrow"...that is NOT a defined term in any book. There is "optional rethrow" aka the old unplayable/unwanted lie rule, but that carries stroke and distance penalty. there are no "free" throws in DG other than provisionals and stance violations.

Look at option 1 in the ob rule you just posted. It gives you the option to throw from your previous lie without a one stoke penalty. That is what I am calling a free optional rethrow.