I am in the process of finishing a new course here in Pittsburgh called Linbrook, and it is one of the toughest walks you could ever imagine on a disc golf course wit nasty schule and quite a few tough par 4's. Yet I keep meeting people out there who are playing for their first time, or are newer-players and they all tell me that they really enjoy the walk and the workout that it provides. Blew my mind yet again. Which is why I do think it is important to provide multiple tees on a course. Even if you may think that you will never use those tees, there are lots of people who will appreciate them. And most of these courses we build are public courses meant to be played by the public. So there is nothing wrong with putting in some shorter tees. But also, it is not a must to do this. But in the end, these courses we are building, are being built for the locals in the community, the more options that they have the better.
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Since the next 9 is in limbo, would you rather have multiple pads on 9 or single pads on 18 for the community ?
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The back 9 will be happening, just need to present it to council next month. They just need to officially approve it even though the council admits to approving it. It will happen though, probably won't have any more work done for the next few months though.
Of course I would rather it be 18 holes if that was the choice. But in the end every hole will have 3 tees and 3-5 pin placements.
Also, I liked your review of Moraine which I helped design. I can assure you that I will try as hard as possible to match or exceed the level of play that Moraine has.
Of course I would rather it be 18 holes if that was the choice. But in the end every hole will have 3 tees and 3-5 pin placements.
Also, I liked your review of Moraine which I helped design. I can assure you that I will try as hard as possible to match or exceed the level of play that Moraine has.
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It seems like the scores are adjusting for that. It's not even near the top 25 now.
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Those are big shoes to fill ! I had to totally re-think my boundaries of disc golf design after playing Moraine. Mind-blowing. Was rained out part way thru Deer Lakes the next day, but from what I saw, moraine was clearly better. Can't wait to make another trip up there.
In golf, there are players who will play the back tees because they like punishing themselves, and at the end of the day they're outside with their buddies, so their score is almost irrelevant.
Then there are players like my wife who would rather have a chance, now and then, of getting a bogey or maybe even a par. She'll play easier courses or shorter tees and stay away from the tougher courses or longer tees.
Same appears to be true in disc golf.
Then there are players like my wife who would rather have a chance, now and then, of getting a bogey or maybe even a par. She'll play easier courses or shorter tees and stay away from the tougher courses or longer tees.
Same appears to be true in disc golf.
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Not to derail this thread, but I've always felt there is one optimum spot for a pad and one optimum spot for a basket on each hole and when you start working in multiples, something is lost. If i'm playing solo, I often find myself mixing the pads based on which one is most interesting.
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Yes they are Mando. I still think that Moraine is the ultimate test of your golf abilities. The crew of us spent almost 3 years tweaking that design to make it right. I had a lot of input on that course. I can tell you every person that designed each hole, and then every person that came through and and suggested tweaking those holes. That is still my proudest accomplishment designing and building that course.
But I think you will like what you see out at Linbrook. The terrain is very different than Moraine, but I think you will find the holes to follow in a similar style.
But I think you will like what you see out at Linbrook. The terrain is very different than Moraine, but I think you will find the holes to follow in a similar style.
I disagree, there are ways to use multiple tees and pins to present different "optimal" challenges. Borderland State Park is the best example of this that I can think of. The blue tees present tougher lines than the whites and the blue baskets are in harder to reach locations than the whites. All four layout combinations are "optimal" depending on what kind of challenge you are looking for.
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Hmmm, thanks. I feel like I would agree on all points if I could play a tourney there. It really was the lack of basic grooming that got me down. On like 10 or 11, the tunnel shot opens to the fairway there were branches down making a tee shot almost impossible. Just a bunch of little things that made me say meh about it. It was also almost 100 degrees and I was coming from pier park that morning.
Moraine was originally designed from the longest tees to one pin. We then used the "Green concept where all pins would be in a certain green area that would not change the par of the hole when moved.
We had come up with the idea that it was going to be a par 66 course that would be 1000 rated from the long tees. So we got 1000 rated players to come and play the course and we would tweak the holes until the holes were coming as close to par as possible with the average scoring spread.
Then we started work on the blue tees. We wanted the blues to be 950 rated. We got players of that level to come and try out teeing areas, and tweaked them until those players were shooting around par 66.
So now we had 1000 rated gold tees with par 66 and 950 rated blue tees with par 66. Exactly what we wanted. Over the next year or two, the white tees were added to make a set of 900 rated tees.
It was important to us that the par of the course would never change no matter what tee or pin was used. We spent lots of time collecting data and tweaking those holes. We played from dirt spots to little wooden stakes in the ground for more than a year before we got the first set of tees and pins where we wanted them to go.
We had come up with the idea that it was going to be a par 66 course that would be 1000 rated from the long tees. So we got 1000 rated players to come and play the course and we would tweak the holes until the holes were coming as close to par as possible with the average scoring spread.
Then we started work on the blue tees. We wanted the blues to be 950 rated. We got players of that level to come and try out teeing areas, and tweaked them until those players were shooting around par 66.
So now we had 1000 rated gold tees with par 66 and 950 rated blue tees with par 66. Exactly what we wanted. Over the next year or two, the white tees were added to make a set of 900 rated tees.
It was important to us that the par of the course would never change no matter what tee or pin was used. We spent lots of time collecting data and tweaking those holes. We played from dirt spots to little wooden stakes in the ground for more than a year before we got the first set of tees and pins where we wanted them to go.
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I play every course I can. I could care less about ratings and wouldn't even know where to look for a list of the top 10. If there is a weekly, monthly or PDGA event there i'm going to play it. I typically like thick, difficult courses that people complain about. It's the wide open courses that I dislike.
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Right with ya Chris!!
I had the pleasure of playing Brackett's Bluff with Chain-Addicted and DSCJNKY, Flyboy with Air McNair and then again with Flyboy and Connor Jones, and Idlewild with a large group of local friends. Every single one of these courses are worth praising. Every single one of these I've seen are spectacular courses that have been crafted and retooled for years to be shaped into something special.
No sir, I have not been dissapointed by any of the top rated courses I've seen, and I'm looking forward to making that trip north one day to go see Flip in all of its glory.
No sir, I have not been dissapointed by any of the top rated courses I've seen, and I'm looking forward to making that trip north one day to go see Flip in all of its glory.
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How accurate are the ratings and what exactly is being rated? Out of curiousity I checked the ratings on a course I played last weekend. It was 2.92. What does that mean? When I arrived at the course all alone I went to the 1st tee. All 3 tees on each hole were concrete with signs on two of them. There were two different baskets on each hole. I told myself there was no way a TD would make us pros play these two short tees. I chose to play the longest tee on each hole. I had a very challenging and fun round throwing to the short basket from the long tee. I also threw to the long basket. It seemed logical. Silly me, the td made us play the par 56 short to short and the par 67 long to long.
I guess my point is that many of the better courses have multiple layouts. Some of the layouts are much better than others. What I enjoy is difficulty and think the tougher courses are better. How objective are the reviews? The Blockhouse tiki course is 3.66 rated. I stand still and putt 90% of those holes. A course I enjoyed was less than 3. It requires skill to play. It's fuzzy math to me.
I guess my point is that many of the better courses have multiple layouts. Some of the layouts are much better than others. What I enjoy is difficulty and think the tougher courses are better. How objective are the reviews? The Blockhouse tiki course is 3.66 rated. I stand still and putt 90% of those holes. A course I enjoyed was less than 3. It requires skill to play. It's fuzzy math to me.
I like to play them all too. But finding the Top 10 list is easy... It's on the Home Page underneath the course photo of the day.
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that's it? nothing to see here folks, move along
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I like this. Too often I feel tourneys get rushed between rounds just to finish before sunset leaving very little time for lunch and warmup before round 2. I just ran a non-sanctioned tourney two weeks ago where you either play 1 or 2 rounds of 18 and only count the best round. Flex start whenever as long as you have 3 people on a card. The next tourney I run will only be one round though with flex start. It will also be winter and the course will be longer then.
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To answer the OP, yes Tyler and Deer Lakes(the only 2 I've played) were slight disappointments being in the top 10. They are still great courses, just not what I expect from a top 10 course. I just chalk it up to being popular to the masses vs what I like.
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