Nikko Calls Foot Fault on Gurthie ... "Don't you shake his hand, bro.."

[Dave242]

The rules of DG are extremely easy to follow for those who intend to follow them with integrity. So, for those people who have that integrity, they rarely need to call infractions on themselves. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head that you can do accidentally and catch yourself doing is stance violations.....mainly falling putts.

For FF's you need someone else to watch you, although at times you can see the pivot mark of your foot in relation to your marker.

 

[looking4owls]

Good quote:

Nikko looks like a scumbag in this video

 

[apparition]

Good quote:

I'm just being honest, man. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. I know it's the internet and I can hide behind my screen, but if I had kids and he offered them candy I wouldn't let them take it!

 

[pablo.diablo]

What does calling an infraction on yourself have to do with anything? That's not even legal anymore.

 

[tbird888]

Anyone notice they're tied in fourth right now at the Copenhagen Open.

Nikko vs GG 2: One gets top card, the other gets the shaft... :|

 

[DG_Before_Breakfast]

Anyone notice they're tied in fourth right now at the Copenhagen Open.

Nikko vs GG 2: One gets top card, the other gets the shaft... :|

I'm sure they are watching each other's feet closely

 

[mashnut]

What does calling an infraction on yourself have to do with anything? That's not even legal anymore.

I think that only applies to stance violations.

 

[JTacoma03]

And that appears to be a huge debate and a cause for fracture in their sport/professional leagues.

"Spirit of the Game" is not a bygone value. It should still be alive and active....and should be even if/when there are referees with every card (which is not the case today, so your point is not in harmony with where the sport is or where it will be in the next 1-2 decades minimum).

Even though golf has officials, you still see the players call most infractions on themselves. Is that an outdated notion for them too?

When money is involved, yes. Also until I see stats, I'm not going to blindly accept that golfers call most infractions on themselves.

IF it turns out to be the case though, they are in a lucky and unique situation. The officials are still there, and call the infractions (did you watch the Masters?). There is an international association of golf officials, so this argument doesn't really fly.

No personal disrespect - but you guys need to open your eyes. There are people on this forum trying to crucify GG and also crucify Nikko and they weren't even there! They're making their own interpretations of edited camcorder footage and deciding whether they'll financially and fanatically support a player based on it...

...so forgive me if I don't want to leave the sport we all love in "good faith" or the "honor system". It doesn't work that way, it's idealistic, but not realistic.

 

[tbird888]

There are people on this forum trying to crucify GG and also crucify Nikko and they weren't even there! They're making their own interpretations of edited camcorder footage and deciding whether they'll financially and fanatically support a player based on it...

Has disc golf now become a reality show? :|

In all seriousness though, in this case if you don't support one, you don't support the other...PRODIGY! PRODIGY! PRODIGY!

 

[mashnut]

When money is involved, yes. Also until I see stats, I'm not going to blindly accept that golfers call most infractions on themselves.

IF it turns out to be the case though, they are in a lucky and unique situation. The officials are still there, and call the infractions (did you watch the Masters?). There is an international association of golf officials, so this argument doesn't really fly.

No personal disrespect - but you guys need to open your eyes. There are people on this forum trying to crucify GG and also crucify Nikko and they weren't even there! They're making their own interpretations of edited camcorder footage and deciding whether they'll financially and fanatically support a player based on it...

...so forgive me if I don't want to leave the sport we all love in "good faith" or the "honor system". It doesn't work that way, it's idealistic, but not realistic.

What's your solution? I haven't seen a single feasible suggestion to change the way we officiate. There's not nearly enough money in the sport to pay for officials with every card, and only following the top cards with an official puts the rest of the players at a disadvantage. At the moment we do need to rely on players to call themselves and their cardmates on infractions. I never said everyone does, or that's it's nearly consistent enough currently, but I also disagree with the folks claiming nobody calls foot faults.

 

[oddjob]

It doesn't work that way, it's idealistic, but not realistic

Is having a Marshall follow every card realistic?

 

[BrotherDave]

And you shouldn't be allowed to place another disc on or near your marker disc.

That's gonna be the new way to cheat. People that foot fault regularly will carry 3 identical minis and quickly mark their lie with one mini while lining the other two beside it so you can't remember which is the legal mark, like a shell game.

If a basketball player steps on the line for a free throw, is a questioned? a foot fault is a foot fault...it is a legitimate call and if you foul someone in any game and it is called, it is called and it is legitimate.

I've played organized basketball for years and watched it for decades. I can't remember one occasion where a free throw was questioned b/c a guy had a toe on the line, and people do that not uncommonly. A better analogy (but still really bad) would be lane violations which happen almost every free throw but are still rarely called. Fouls go uncalled all the time. (see game 2: Chicago at Miami)

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I love how everybody is getting bent out of shape and arguing that the reason why DG isn't respected is b/c players don't self-police each other to their disadvantage. Maybe it's just a poorly written rule guys, rule committees aren't infallible. Any rule that depends wholly on the human element for enforcement won't be successful.

 

[Dave242]

IF it turns out to be the case though, they are in a lucky and unique situation. The officials are still there, and call the infractions (did you watch the Masters?). There is an international association of golf officials, so this argument doesn't really fly.

I am not a golf guru, but I watch some. I notice that the officials are mainly there so the players can consult with them when they are unclear of the rules, the interpretation of the rules, or borderline situations.

In my observation, things work that way around way way way more often than an official calling out a player on something he/she is about to miss/ignore. Am I off the mark in my observations?

No personal disrespect - but you guys need to open your eyes. There are people on this forum trying to crucify GG and also crucify Nikko and they weren't even there! They're making their own interpretations of edited camcorder footage and deciding whether they'll financially and fanatically support a player based on it...

...so forgive me if I don't want to leave the sport we all love in "good faith" or the "honor system". It doesn't work that way, it's idealistic, but not realistic.

You are talking about internet fanboys and low level competitors. My comments are hoping to spur growth in integrity as people grow into top level competitors.

All you are really saying is that officials are needed for low level players who do not respect the game, each other, nor themselves. I am not convinced by your post that people are incapable of growing in their integrity.

 

[wwchart]

Nikki foot fault at 20:40... Worse than GG's

false

 

[tomsdiscs]

Check out Nikko at 28:04 in the video.

This gets tricky, what if someones toe touches left of the disc, then the pivot and the heel finishes behind the disc, uneven surfaces, etc.

 

[notroman]

false

It does look like he foot faults. While his heel is behind the mini, in line of play, the ball of his foot is to the left of the mini (especially after he adjusts his footing right before throwing). You can't have any point of contact be in front of the rear edge of the mini.

It's not as big of a miss as GG's plant step, but it still appears to be a foot fault.

 

[Dave242]

Check out Nikko at 28:04 in the video.

This gets tricky, what if someones toe touches left of the disc, then the pivot and the heel finishes behind the disc, uneven surfaces, etc.

I do not think it is tricky in this regard at all. The important moment to look at is when the disc is released.....not at any time on the follow-through.

What appears to be more tricky (and I think it was missed by the players) is that the lie is from the disc to the basket (or Mando if there is one). That is the white line (it is approximate since I do not know exactly where the basket is). The lie is NOT along the fairway segment you are currently throwing (yellow line).

This does appear to be a stance violation:

 

[gcr_russell]

This does appear to be a stance violation:

I'm a little confused.. how does this appear to be a stance violation? The line to the basket seems to go directly through his foot?

And there seems to be a little confusion up in these last several posts. You have to have a point of balance within the 11 inches in line with the direct line to the basket, which doesn't mean only the toe of the foot, or only the ball of the foot. Any part of the foot touching that line is okay.

 

[Dave242]

The white line is the line of play.... Not the yellow line

 

[oddjob]

Your LOP doesn't look close at all. Granted I've never played the hole.