Major Violation?

[DavidSauls]

You would think so but only the top card knew about it and they were all ok with it. I wasnt cool with it but I didnt make a fuss. If he would have beaten me then I would have said something.

Nobody said anything because the player was a nice guy I guess. And he was a nice guy. still its not fair to the people he beat.

What kind of grapevine you guys running there? I'd have thought half the players would have heard this story by the time the awards ceremony started.

It doesn't say much for the player, either. I've seen plenty of par+4s handed out without pleas for mercy. Heck, a few years ago someone was late for the final round of Pro Worlds, and took his par+4s with plenty of money on the line.

Among the other questions that come to mind is, Did everyone have to wait while he played an additional 6 holes, before the awards could begin?

 

[jobwilson]

Spike Hyzer event in Asheville, eh?

Congrats on the win, Mr Canter.

And yes, that was a major violation. TD should know better.

 

[Khao Pra]

egregious and flagrant violation. it's in every players best interest that the pdga and td are contacted about this. this td isn't doing himself, that player or anyone involved in that tourney or future tourneys any favors.

 

[Bamm]

Why not go ahead and ask the TD if your group can have 2 mulligan's per round? If you're not going to play by the rules what good are they? This will probably hurt this TD down the road, the rest of the division will find out if they haven't already. There is no "reasoning" that should have been good enough to allow this....

 

[mattc]

I guess nice guys finish 2nd now.

:doh:

One of the biggest reasons *to* sanction an event is so players can know with 100% certainty what the rules of the event are.

this is exactly right (and the insurance)

 

[sisyphus]

Hey, as an aside, I heard at another tournament today that the penalty is actually supposed to be course par + 4 strokes, so keep that in mind if you're tempted to skip a couple of holes. It could be NINE strokes each!

 

[jeverett]

Hey, as an aside, I heard at another tournament today that the penalty is actually supposed to be course par + 4 strokes, so keep that in mind if you're tempted to skip a couple of holes. It could be NINE strokes each!

It's whatever the TD decides par is (i.e. what gets printed on the scorecards), which could theoretically be either the same as the course signage, or something else (e.g. if your course signage was for red tees, the TD might still set the par based on blue or gold standards).

 

[livedoen4]

I've played a bunch of Chuck's events and something doesn't sound right.

 

[LoPan12]

Sadly, he's the only guy that runs tournaments in eastern NC...
Dude is not organized in the least though. While he's got his events registered with the PDGA, he manages to get maybe two into DiscGolfUnited.com at any given time. From there, you're lucky to find 1 with a flyer, and a generic blurb about pre-reg through e-mail in the details section.
How hard is it to copy and paste details of your event into one box?? Nothing about entry fees, or, event details whatsoever!
On top of that, his website is more than useless. Why even pay money for the domain if you aren't even going to attempt to use it for simple distribution of info?

I mean, TBH, he's got 17 events for this year registered with the PDGA already. So he's trying to be a leader, a DD of NC as it were. I can't imagine he's got much in the way of a day job, other than this company. So why run it with such an apparently half-assed effort?

 

[Star Shark]

This happened at Augusta Worlds in 2006. John E McCray showed up late for the semifinals and took 7s on the first four holes. He still killed it, but the strokes he took knocked him out of the final 9.

The fact that this TD not only ignored a major rule, but apparently didn't know the proper penalty means he probably shouldn't be running tournaments, no matter how good he is for the local scene.

 

[jenb]

Only time I was ever late at a second round was at a non-PDGA event, and I got to rethrow the holes because the TD started the 2nd round 45 minutes after last card, when he said 1 hour. Not that I was going to cash anyway, though.

I've seen worse shenanigans at PDGA events. Even if reported, I expect the Tour Manager will probably just call the TD and tell him the rule and that he shouldn't to do it again. It takes a lot to get banned or even suspended from sanctioning tournaments, unless it's unpaid fees.

 

[gvdg jake]

I had a tourney back in early march where the same thing happened. I was top card and 3 of us were at the box when they yelled start and our 4th was no where to be seen coming. We decided to hold off for another minute or so before we tee'd (trying to be nice). Well in this extra minute, I decided to walk up the hole a little ways to see if maybe he would come down the wrong way or something. The 2nd card did the same thing and waited for a extra minute also because they had their 4th missing. Well we all went ahead and started without them. I knew that it was par +4 since he never showed for the first hole. The other card didnt know this and never stroked him and let him play the hole. It screwed me because I got 4th and the guy who didnt get stroked got 2nd. Come to find out they went fishing and thought "someone would yell for them" so they could get to the hole on time. I complained to our TD and nothing was done about the 2nd player not getting stroked. I guess you cant please everyone.

 

[atl scott]

The TD is responsible but so is the player in question. He should know the rules and shouldn't have asked to bend them.

 

[takman]

Sadly, he's the only guy that runs tournaments in eastern NC...
Dude is not organized in the least though. While he's got his events registered with the PDGA, he manages to get maybe two into DiscGolfUnited.com at any given time. From there, you're lucky to find 1 with a flyer, and a generic blurb about pre-reg through e-mail in the details section.
How hard is it to copy and paste details of your event into one box?? Nothing about entry fees, or, event details whatsoever!
On top of that, his website is more than useless. Why even pay money for the domain if you aren't even going to attempt to use it for simple distribution of info?

I mean, TBH, he's got 17 events for this year registered with the PDGA already. So he's trying to be a leader, a DD of NC as it were. I can't imagine he's got much in the way of a day job, other than this company. So why run it with such an apparently half-assed effort?

First of all he's not the only guy running events in Eastern NC. Dave George & the NHDGC just ran 2 events in 3 weeks in Wilmington, Joe Noble & Kinston Disc Golf are running a great event this month and Adam Baker & GVDG I'm sure are already planning the 8th DEPC in Greenville for October. There are more so show them some respect.

Second show Chuck some respect for what he's doing, don't use this thread to attack his efforts. If a violation was made it needs to be taken to the PDGA, not just posted here where people can take sides and bash. Something does not sound right.

 

[Jay Dub]

Well I walked with him. He did deuce the holes but I know you cant replay any holes you missed. Its against PDGA rules. Basically he went from triple bogeys to deuces. Thats a big score difference. Oh and lunch was on sight to so he really had no reason to leave.

If you thought it was wrong why did you participate in him playing out the holes he missed? I would have told the TD to pound salt.

 

[DSmith]

To the op...sound like the player who showed up late lied to you that he talked to the td. Has anyone talked to the td before this thread started or is he going to get blindsided?

 

[SteezeOG]

Had I been the guy bumped to third because of this I would've let everyone watch as I walked to the TDs car in the parking lot then proceeded to poop on his car hood. I would hope for a sunroof, always wanted to do that.

Who drives five hours to a tournament then is late for the second round? A jerk that's who. He should've taken his penalty strokes like a man and that TD should be used as the basket in a ring of fire. I wouldn't play any more of that guy's events.

 

[Dave242]

To the op...sound like the player who showed up late lied to you that he talked to the td. Has anyone talked to the td before this thread started or is he going to get blindsided?

That's a great point. The OP could/should have talked to the TD upon hearing the resolution plan that supposedly came from the TD. Mr Late Guy does not appear to be a PDGA member and so there is less likelihood of him knowing the rules himself.

At this point we do not know all sides of the story so burning the witch at the stake is premature. I still think the PDGA Tour Manager should be aware of this.

 

[jtrod]

This guy should have received double par +1 for each hole missed and no make up or else everyone else should have been given the opportunity to re-throw the same number of holes he was allowed to make-up.

 

[kerplunk]

I mean, TBH, he's got 17 events for this year registered with the PDGA already. So he's trying to be a leader, a DD of NC as it were. I can't imagine he's got much in the way of a day job, other than this company. So why run it with such an apparently half-assed effort?

He used to own a pet store also, I haven't been around for a few years so I don't know if he still does.

This was certainly not the correct call though. The only way I can see this being even semi-legit is if the 2nd round started earlier than it was supposed to.