[Innova] Innova Atlas (Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you)

[Jukeshoe]

Re: new discs.

Oh geeez.

 

[rakamkram]

I don't know why it took me so long to realize what was really going on here. Clearly, Paul McBeth tried out some MVP, was thinking about jumping ship and becoming the first MVP sponsored player. Innova had to do something to make him stay, so they copied MVP's look in a last ditch effort to keep McBeast around

 

[7ontheline]

wake me up when someone has a actual review

 

[Uncle Dougie]

Does anybody else find it interesting that when a different company comes out with discs that are eerily similar to a roc/teebird/destroyer etc.. people all freak out and call them the greatest discs of all time but when big bad innova comes and tries to do something similar to one of our beloved small companies everyone loves to call them desperate? Just an observation of mine.

:hfive: Exactly

 

[Pwingles]

This thread is drowning in butt hurt, as someone predicted on page 1.

 

[Uncle Dougie]

lol @ atlas nubs

 

[zj1002]

you will all buy an Atlas

even you MVP homers

great read so far

 

[smyith]

Why do you seem annoyed that I have opinions and make inferences from available information?

gee I wonder.....

If MVP debuted with the Atlas they wouldn't be in business.

Innova has simply done a visual imitation of MVP without including the stuff that actually works,

definitive statements are not inferences.

 

[ZAMson]

Do people really believe "Gyro" actually does something different than any other round disc with the weight pushed to the outer edge? That pretty much describes every disc on the market. It's a sales gimmick no matter who is manufacturing it.

:clap:

How soon can we expect our spankings from discette?

The marketing for GYRO(tm) as a technology branding has been pretty clear from the beginning -- all discs are gyroscopic... when you add a 2nd material at the rim with a greater density, the gyroscopic effect increases. Same profile with 1 material vs 2 materials of disparate density... that's not a gimmick, it has an effect. Giving it a name (happens to be GYRO) is marketing.

read the GYRO page mang

 

[throwfromthewoods]

I want a red plate and silver rim one. Hot.

 

[discspeed]

I've thrown some MVP, and I'm not convinced that having an overmold makes it any more "gyroscopic" than any other disc with the weight in the rim. As stated before, it's simply a marketing gimmick. I'm sure you were convinced about the extra distance potential before you ever even held an MVP disc.

The first disc I ever felt out of Maple Valley Plastics said "Cam Realty" on the bottom and I was one of a handful of people involved in the original thread where Chad/Brad showed what they were working on when they were simply a couple of guys on DGR. There was no hype, just curiosity.

I've tested discs for years and I can say with 100% certainty that MVP's discs fly differently in a noticeable and fairly uniform way due to how they are constructed. They don't fly "better" as that is a completely simplified and subjective term. They don't fly farther than normal discs. What they do is fly more forward dominant on any line, have a lot of glide at speed, and tend to sit down quickly after their spin is diminished. I find these characteristics to make for discs that fly to my preferences. I have learned them and feel I can compete as well or better than with anything else.

MVP makes a core as light as possible and then puts as much weight as possible on the overmold at the very outside edge of the disc. I don't know exactly (and couldn't post it if I did), but MVP's discs would probably weight at least 5-10 grams less if made entirely from the core plastic. That's quite a bit of difference from a standard disc. Considering that very small variations in temp, cooling time, and chemical composition of the disc can cause huge differences in flight, is it such a stretch that discs made as uniquely as MVP's would fly differently? If you can't notice a difference between MVP's discs and standard discs I don't think it's me being fooled by marketing.

 

[discspeed]

gee I wonder.....


definitive statements are not inferences.

The Hammer and I were just having some fun there...

 

[tbird888]

MVP makes a core as light as possible and then puts as much weight as possible on the overmold at the very outside edge of the disc. I don't know exactly (and couldn't post it if I did), but MVP's discs would probably weight at least 5-10 grams less if made entirely from the core plastic.

I would like to see this put to the test. I may chop up a couple of discs in the name of science. Cut the flightplate out of both a traditionally molded and an overmolded disc comparable to one another (probably an Ion and a Wizard) and compare the weights of the two flightplates and rims.

 

[throwfromthewoods]

I've tested discs for years and I can say with 100% certainty that MVP's discs fly differently in a noticeable and fairly uniform way due to how they are constructed. They don't fly "better" as that is a completely simplified and subjective term. They don't fly farther than normal discs. What they do is fly more forward dominant on any line, have a lot of glide at speed, and tend to sit down quickly after their spin is diminished. I find these characteristics to make for discs that fly to my preferences. I have learned them and feel I can compete as well or better than with anything else.

MVP makes a core as light as possible and then puts as much weight as possible on the overmold at the very outside edge of the disc. I don't know exactly (and couldn't post it if I did), but MVP's discs would probably weight at least 5-10 grams less if made entirely from the core plastic. That's quite a bit of difference from a standard disc. Considering that very small variations in temp, cooling time, and chemical composition of the disc can cause huge differences in flight, is it such a stretch that discs made as uniquely as MVP's would fly differently? If you can't notice a difference between MVP's discs and standard discs I don't think it's me being fooled by marketing.

This is why I don't bag any MVP. I respect the GYRO technology. I see the differences when I throw them. My throwing style leans towards glide and touch as opposed to snap, so I never found the MVP discs to do anything better than my glidey seasoned Lat discs.

That's just a style thing, though. Just because I don't see them as magic discs doesn't make the technology a gimmick or useless.

 

[The Hammer]

I would like to see this put to the test. I may chop up a couple of discs in the name of science. Cut the flightplate out of both a traditionally molded and an overmolded disc comparable to one another (probably an Ion and a Wizard) and compare the weights of the two flightplates and rims.

If you want an Ion, you can have mine. I'm interested as well, and I hate my Ion.

 

[mashnut]

I would like to see this put to the test. I may chop up a couple of discs in the name of science. Cut the flightplate out of both a traditionally molded and an overmolded disc comparable to one another (probably an Ion and a Wizard) and compare the weights of the two flightplates and rims.

I would really like to see that done with an Ion, a wizard and a BB aviar. The wizard already has some level of gyro effect by varying the thickness of the flight plate.

 

[tbird888]

If you want an Ion, you can have mine. I'm interested as well, and I hate my Ion.

Sweet. I have a Challenger I'll trade you for it.

I would really like to see that done with an Ion, a wizard and a BB aviar. The wizard already has some level of gyro effect by varying the thickness of the flight plate.

I will do this since there's interest. I will not cut up one of my firmer Wizards up since I use them, but I was thinking Soft Ion, SSS Wizard, and JK Aviar. What do you think?

 

[mashnut]

Please post the results when you do, I know I'm really interested and I'm sure a lot of others will be too. :thmbup:

 

[The Hammer]

Sweet. I have a Challenger I'll trade you for it.


I will do this since there's interest. I will not cut up one of my firmer Wizards up since I use them, but I was thinking Soft Ion, SSS Wizard, and JK Aviar. What do you think?

Hopefully it's one of the old mold Challenger. PM me your address and I'll get it in the mail.

 

[DG_Before_Breakfast]

Sweet. I have a Challenger I'll trade you for it.


I will do this. I will not cut up one of my firmer Wizards up since I use them, but I was thinking Soft Ion, SSS Wizard, and JK Aviar. What do you think?

Awesome. Don't believe the hype, do the experiment!

Just like my job all day long as a Software Test Engineer.

Developer: Ya, I fixed that bug, it all works perfectly now.

Me: Oh great, thanks! *goes back to verify that it actually is fixed*