To 888 or not to 888.......

[CaptainAnhyzer]

Tried to Prerube this but a simple "888" search results in a ton of threads.

Had a player quit during a tournament yesterday.
First round with three holes left to play.
I heard about it thru others on the card.

Not sure what to do. :\

 

[solomon.trenton]

Was he playing poorly and pulled out due to "injury"? If they quit to protect their rating then its an 888. Seems simple enough to me. If not then 999.

 

[New013]

you know sometimes people play poorly due to an actual injury....

i'd talk to the guy first to get his side of the story.

 

[JC17393]

Didn't do you, as the TD, the courtesy of notifying you as to why they quit that late in the round? Seems to me that if there was a legit reason to quit, the group would have known what was up when he left and could tell you. If it was an injury or an emergency (like he got a call that his wife was in labor or something), I can't see how the group wouldn't know what happened. If he just up and quit for no reason (or to preserve his rating, which he likely wouldn't admit), I could see the group not reporting a reason or thinking anything of it.

I'd go 888. But I'm a hard-ass and hate quitters so take that with a grain of salt.

 

[solomon.trenton]

you know sometimes people play poorly due to an actual injury....

i'd talk to the guy first to get his side of the story.

If he isnt there anymore you cant talk to him. Also with only three holes couldnt you finish the round?

 

[jenb]

Maybe the player got a call that a family member was hurt or died? Maybe the player has a job of the type that he could be called in in case of emergency?

It's in the rules. Benefit of the doubt goes to the player. If in doubt, 999. Absent smoking gun, 999.

I've had a card mate quit mid round and leave without saying anything at all. It's not unreasonable to think the card would not know why they quit.

 

[JC17393]

Maybe it's just me, but if I injure myself badly enough that I physically cannot finish a round but not badly enough that I need to be carted off the course or head directly for the ER, I feel I should do the TD the courtesy of letting him know what happened. If that means hanging out for 20-30 minutes for the round to end so I can tell him myself, so be it. I was already planning to be there all day anyway, so it's not like I have somewhere I need to rush off to.

And if I received an emergency call, there's no way my group wouldn't know what happened and why I was leaving. And I wouldn't leave without telling them to tell the TD exactly what was going on.

 

[Johnny_Crunch]

I'd go 888. But I'm a hard-ass and hate quitters so take that with a grain of salt.

This

 

[jobwilson]

Go ahead and report it as a 888. If he sees it and wants to disagree, he can always contact you and explain what happened. If his story is legit, you can contact PDGA and they can change the report for you.

It's not your responsibility to chase him down and get his side of the story.

 

[Kursk]

Even if there was an excuse, there's no excuse for the bad sportsmanship and discourtesy of walking out without even a word to the people you're playing with. 999.

 

[volkswagen]

you usually have 1 or 2 DNF in your tournaments, its time for the 888. Whats the value of rules- if you or anyone doesn't abide by them.

 

[tbird888]

How was his score up until he quit? At least try to rule out an attempt at rating preservation.

Regardless, isn't walking off a tourney without a legitimate reason a 999, not 888?

Edit, it is 888

 

[JC17393]

Regardless, isn't walking off a tourney without a legitimate reason a 999, not 888?

TDs are allowed to use 888 for players who leave a tournament without giving the TD notice. Generally, using an 888 for that sort of thing is reserved for players who finish one round and then disappear before the start of the next round. If they notify the TD, he can pull the player from the scoreboard and regroup players accordingly rather than run the risk of having a group that is short a player and can't continue (threesome becoming a twosome).

Frankly, I think anything that will lead players to being a bit more courteous toward the TD and at least make them give notice, if not a reason for quitting the tournament is a good thing in the long run. And I think that's part of the intent behind the creation of the 888 code.

Especially when we're talking a full tournament with a wait list, players quitting for reasons other than injury or emergency just plain suck and frankly, deserve some sort of reprimand. It really bothers me to see people quit because they're playing poorly or not having fun when there are people who'd love to be in the tournament no matter how well or poorly they might play but can't because they were beaten to the sign-ups by the quitter(s). If you are going to sign up for a tournament, stick it out or don't bother signing up at all.

 

[tbird888]

TDs are allowed to use 888 for players who leave a tournament without giving the TD notice. Generally, using an 888 for that sort of thing is reserved for players who finish one round and then disappear before the start of the next round. If they notify the TD, he can pull the player from the scoreboard and regroup players accordingly rather than run the risk of having a group that is short a player and can't continue (threesome becoming a twosome).

Frankly, I think anything that will lead players to being a bit more courteous toward the TD and at least make them give notice, if not a reason for quitting the tournament is a good thing in the long run. And I think that's part of the intent behind the creation of the 888 code.

Especially when we're talking a full tournament with a wait list, players quitting for reasons other than injury or emergency just plain suck and frankly, deserve some sort of reprimand. It really bothers me to see people quit because they're playing poorly or not having fun when there are people who'd love to be in the tournament no matter how well or poorly they might play but can't because they were beaten to the sign-ups by the quitter(s). If you are going to sign up for a tournament, stick it out or don't bother signing up at all.

Guess you missed my edit...

 

[CaptainAnhyzer]

The little I got from the others on the card is that he wasn't playing well and had lost a disc. At the time I was setting up cards for the second round and didn't have time to catch up with all of them and ask questions. The one guy I did talk to said that he grumbled something about it being his day off and he wasn't gonna ruin it this way. As luck would have it, I can't find the 1st round cards so I can't see how he was shooting before he left.

I'm holding off on submitting results until Wednesday.... This guy sometimes shows up at Tuesday league and ill speak to him then.

 

[tampora]

Anyone entering into a tournament, knowing full well they may receive a phone call which will take them out of the tournament (being on call, wife in labor, etc), is being rude, not just to the TD, but to their cardmates as well.

How would you feel if you lost a disc and only had 1 other player to help you look because the other two players on your card were called away on business. Compared to all the other 4-somes, this is an unfair disadvantage caused by people who want to play DG despite their current responsibilities.

In summary, if he was called away due to business or a predictable situtation (labor), I would still 888 the player.

 

[DavidSauls]

Anyone entering into a tournament, knowing full well they may receive a phone call which will take them out of the tournament (being on call, wife in labor, etc), is being rude, not just to the TD, but to their cardmates as well.

I've played with people in such situations, and never felt they were being rude to me.

Nor does it bother me as a TD, as long as they let me know when they leave.

 

[JC17393]

I've played with people in such situations, and never felt they were being rude to me.

Nor does it bother me as a TD, as long as they let me know when they leave.

I agree. I'd also go so far as to say that not only letting the TD know when they leave, but if it's an on-call or wife-is-pregnant kind of situation, giving the TD (and groupmates) a heads up before things start that he might have to leave the tournament for an emergency would be a good way to keep things copacetic. At least in that case, the TD could make sure to place the player in a group that he would not be leaving shorthanded if he had to leave (i.e. a four or fivesome).

Only thing that would be bothersome about such a situation is if there's a waitlist for the event, and someone who isn't on-call for work or expecting a baby doesn't get to play because Mr. On Call is playing. I'd feel bad turning a player away only to have Mr. On Call leave five holes into the first round. But if the tournament isn't filled or there isn't a waitlist on tournament morning, I see no issue whatsoever as long as the player is up front about the situation with everyone potentially affected by it.

 

[DavidSauls]

The waitlist issue is a little tricky. I guess it depends a bit on just how likely a withdrawal is. Someone on call with his job, who gets called in about half the days he's on call, perhaps shouldn't take a spot. Someone with a pregnant wife, with delivery not expected for that weekend, is different.

I'm a little sensitive because I once endured an injury that forced me to leave a number of tournaments before finishing. I did it the right way, of course. But I'm reluctant to criticize others who can't finish, without knowing the whole story.

 

[PhattD]

TDs are allowed to use 888 for players who leave a tournament without giving the TD notice.

You should look up the rules to make sure you know them before you post.

Section 3.3 B (13) of the Competition Manual which is "deliberately seeking to manipulate ones player rating through intentional misplay or withdrawal".

I'm not defending bailing without notifying the TD but it has nothing to do with what the 888 rule is supposed to address.