[Axiom] Axiom Envy

[discerdoo]

Traded for a like new 174g proton the other day and now I know why the Envy is considered OS. Been throwing a couple of neutrons for about 18 months and the proton is considerably more lss. Now I gotta decide if I need to bag both of them.

 

[aphilso1]

Traded for a like new 174g proton the other day and now I know why the Envy is considered OS. Been throwing a couple of neutrons for about 18 months and the proton is considerably more lss. Now I gotta decide if I need to bag both of them.

I'll answer that conundrum for you: always bag multiple Envies.

 

[Alexplz]

Someone tell me about the Eclipse Envys - more HSS/LSS than Proton? Or more likely, comparable? Don't care about how they glow, just want a reliably beefy envy. TY

 

[wolfmandragon]

Someone tell me about the Eclipse Envys - more HSS/LSS than Proton? Or more likely, comparable? Don't care about how they glow, just want a reliably beefy envy. TY

A little less HSS and a little more dump....
In other words, they will go straight farther with a more vertical fade.

 

[Alexplz]

A little less HSS and a little more dump....
In other words, they will go straight farther with a more vertical fade.

Sorry, you really mean less high speed stable? So like a -1 turn as opposed to a 0 turn on a typical envy?

 

[wolfmandragon]

Sorry, you really mean less high speed stable? So like a -1 turn as opposed to a 0 turn on a typical envy?

Not that drastic. It's just a bit less stable. -.5 at the max.

I am throwing one if the SE Halloween stamps, but I have heard the same from others throwing the standard Eclipse stamp.

 

[ThrowaEnvy]

I've got a Halloween SE as well... flies nice in between a fresh proton and plasma.. Kinda like proton + 6 months wear in a good way.. I feel like the top plate plastic is a little gripper then regular proton. I really like them but they aren't as OS as people expected..

That being said my eclipse Tangent is also mellower than my new Neutron.. Also pleasantly not what I expected

 

[Alexplz]

Sounds like I'll skip it then. Really, I have no reason to want anything different than N or P... I picked up a Plasma and it's actually significantly less LSS than other Envys, and while it doesn't turn on a backhand throw, there's demonstrably less HSS when thrown with a little OAT FH.

Actually it's kind of cool to have the mold available in a spectrum of stabilities off the shelf in premium plastic. Kind of unusual for a putter. Not to mention you can throw a Proxy alongside an Envy and get away with only adding like .5 extra molds to your bag due to the shared core.

 

[in4d]

Actually it's kind of cool to have the mold available in a spectrum of stabilities off the shelf in premium plastic. Kind of unusual for a putter.

This is what i like about the Envy, between the soft/stiff neutron and other plastics it covers everything with one mold. They even have slight differences in amount of glide :thmbup:

 

[aphilso1]

And, you can beat in an Electron Envy to be a true US putter. Although the Electrons feel different in the hand compared to the premium plastics. They've got a bit more dome.

 

[wolfmandragon]

And, you can beat in an Electron Envy to be a true US putter. Although the Electrons feel different in the hand compared to the premium plastics. They've got a bit more dome.

Some do, most of mine are board flat.

If memory serves me right, the Electron Envy has a tweaked mold; they don't use the standard molds for it.

 

[aphilso1]

Some do, most of mine are board flat.

If memory serves me right, the Electron Envy has a tweaked mold; they don't use the standard molds for it.

Interesting, I didn't know the mold was tweaked for Electron. It does feel a little different. In addition to the Electrons I've come across having some extra dome (maybe just the run that I bought had dome?) the rim also feels a little different. Like ever so slightly thicker. I just thought I was crazy because a mold is a mold is a mold, but now I know that my craziness was acceptable in this circumstance.

 

[brutalbrutus]

Interesting, I didn't know the mold was tweaked for Electron. It does feel a little different. In addition to the Electrons I've come across having some extra dome (maybe just the run that I bought had dome?) the rim also feels a little different. Like ever so slightly thicker. I just thought I was crazy because a mold is a mold is a mold, but now I know that my craziness was acceptable in this circumstance.

I'm not sure if they ever got a workaround but I remember them saying back when the atom first came out, and people were screaming for Ions in electron, that they couldn't use the premium plastic mold pieces with the electron plastic. Don't remember if they ever said why exactly, only that they had to have different molds pieces.

 

[Alyjos]

Hey guys, thanks for making this a topic in the forums.

Would someone mind answering a couple of questions that I have regarding this disc? Preferably someone who bags envy and knows a little bit about it.

A) I notice that most people use it as an approach disc, but when it comes to using an inside-circle putter they use something different. Does envy have good viability as being used for both, or should I look at maybe sticking with something a little different for close putts?

B) I've heard neutron soft is the way to go with envy. I currently bag plasma. My big issue with plasma is that it seems to bounce a lot and my envy rolls more than any other putter I've owned. Would switch to soft fix these issues?

 

[SD86]

A) I notice that most people use it as an approach disc, but when it comes to using an inside-circle putter they use something different. Does envy have good viability as being used for both, or should I look at maybe sticking with something a little different for close putts?

Putting is probably the most individual and unique thing in Disc Golf. What works great for one person is absolutely wrong for the player standing next to him or her, and possibly with no rhyme nor reason for it.

So to your question: the Envy may be the perfect putting putter for you, but the only way to know is to putt with it and see how it does. When I take an all-MVP/Axiom bag to the course, I approach with the Envy but putt with the Proxy. And some may do just the opposite. So the answer is 'trial and error', and see what works best for you.

 

[brutalbrutus]

I used a soft N envy for nearly a year as a thrower and putter. The only reason I changed was the Atom coming out in the Electron. It gave me better grip in the cold/wet but they had more or less a similar flight. Other people prefer deeper, bigger beads, different stability, etc in their putting putter but will still like to throw envys.

 

[slowplastic]

A) I notice that most people use it as an approach disc, but when it comes to using an inside-circle putter they use something different. Does envy have good viability as being used for both, or should I look at maybe sticking with something a little different for close putts?

The only real answer is do what works for you.

But generally the Envy is a bit low profile and stable for a putter. So I can see it working fine if you are a spin putter and line drive the basket with the disc. I have more of an aggressive spush putt, so I want something with a little more float to it and more depth...plus at the slower speed/less spin of that putting style something with inherently more fade is a poor choice for me.

So I can see the Envy working fine for people with a specific putting style that is very spin dominant and they trust the disc to hold the line, but for lots of people it's kind of the opposite end of characteristics they want for a putting putter. But that makes it so good for throwing.

 

[Alyjos]

The only real answer is do what works for you.

But generally the Envy is a bit low profile and stable for a putter. So I can see it working fine if you are a spin putter and line drive the basket with the disc.

I noticed the same exact thing... Since I've started using it, I've had to adapt my "push" style putting I had with an aviar to more of a straight-line spin putting style.

 

[slowplastic]

I noticed the same exact thing... Since I've started using it, I've had to adapt my "push" style putting I had with an aviar to more of a straight-line spin putting style.

Exactly. Whereas for me, the Aviar and discs based on the Aviar work way better.

 

[wolfmandragon]

I noticed the same exact thing... Since I've started using it, I've had to adapt my "push" style putting I had with an aviar to more of a straight-line spin putting style.

I have been using an Envy for almost 5 years. It is the only disc that has never left my bag. It works fine for a push putt...well I popped more like Cam Todd.
I am bagging it in firm Neutron, firm Electron and Eclipse; I have more types not in the bag.

The Firm Electron is what is needed for a push putt. It has more glide than the Soft Neutron and it is stable, not over stable.

While currently I am using the Tui as my main putter, I keep the firm Electron Envy in my putter pocket at all times. It gets blown by the wind less than the Tui.

Recently,I have also adopted more of a loft putt, ala Calvin Heimburg. The Tui is even thinner than the Envy... so the Envy is plenty tall enough to push.

Sorry for the wall of text.