Watch out Highbridge Hills

[mrstiggy]

Who gives a flying ****?

If I was in WI then I would play it. But I would go play flip or idlewild if I was in the area. Other then that, I could give two ****s.. they all sound like good courses.

 

[prerube]

congrats on the rating!! from the looks of it i wouldnt doubt a 5 disc rating...i just wish i could fast forward time to see how this one holds up after 50+ reviews

kind of fishy that it has 4 reviews in 5 days though..and started days after you previously mentioned it stating it should be number one....???

Who said it should be #1?
I've never been there....or even heard of this course until I saw it was #1
I bet 4 of the 10 reviews is one group of guys who played together.

 

[prerube]

Looks like someone's been thumbing-down every Blueberry Hill review, not like that does anything for its position in the Top 10!

I HATE people that do this. If the review says "nothing" in the cons, then maybe, but if it is a valid review give it a thumbs up or leave it be, don't bash people cause you like another course better or don't like that they gave your course a 3.5 instead of a 5.

 

[NDABRUSH]

HA! Exactly what I was going to write. Sure are some bat-sh#t-crazy conspiracy theorists in here...or just people who just like to bitch. Too much Fox News and Rush I suppose.

Here's what's going to happen...

Highbridge over time and playing will have the same hi/low scores the other tops have. I haven't played there (will in a month) but know MANY people who have and they all speak SUPER high of the Blueberry course. My guess is that it will receive some 4's and 4.5's after awhile to balance it out. Oh, did someone forget to put that in this dumb poll?

you have said this before tomjulio. In fact when I mentioned the new flippie technique: a day or 2 after Idlewild would get a 5 from a legit out of state traveler a person would join that day and give idlewild a 4 or 41/2. It isn't that obvious and still lowers the course rating enough to let crazy flippies sleep well that night. the old method was 3 new members would join and all give flip a 5. they stopped doing this after we called them out on it and changed to the prev mentioned new tecnique. when I mentioned it tom said " everything isn't a conspiracy, too much fox news or rush". So when a flippie is "under assault" aka has the light shined on them as they are scurrying through the day or night, Tom says the person must watch fox news and listen to Rush Limbaugh. No conspiracy tom...just flippies. tom mentions people that like to bitch. Tom didn't you start the thread "complaining" about the criteria to be in the top 10 as soon as Blueberry Hill was in 1st? you didn't think to start a thread about more strict criteria until flip was out of the top spot..Hypocritical?? just beware fellow threaders and reviewers, if you say something about a flip city "suicide bomber" blowing up the Highbridge rating tom will say you must watch fox news or listen to Limbaugh. Sounds like you have a problem "tolerating" people that have a different opinion than yourself and result to name calling or stereotyping the person. Try to lay off the name calling and throwing people into a group that you assume everybody else despises as much as yourself. It is healthy to be around people with different opinions as it keeps you factually honest and informed.

 

[AdamE]

I'm happy to see the top 10 get a little shake up, but I think it's gonna be tough for many people to get up to this course. I go to Green Bay a couple times each year and it's still a 5 hour drive from there. The closest big city to Highbridge Hills is Minneapolis, 4 hours away.

 

[srm_520]

i think us texans are just too hard on our ratings....we prolly have ten time better courses, we would prolly rate your 5's as .5's ..thats why ours are all so low lol jk...i am very suprised not 1 texas course can make it on the list though, and we have a ton of texans AND courses on this site

I don't know man, Texas has a lot of great courses, but only a very few amazing courses. Plus, there is usually some big flaw. The redone Circle C Metro Park @ Slaughter Creek. An amazing newly redone course that can now rival any course in Texas still managed to somehow get their baskets installed at improper heights. Stuff like that is apparent throughout our great state.

Anyhoo - I just want to say I think the whole thing is just funny, and hopefully it will shut up the Flip City and Idlewild contest for a while. It's always the thing that you don't see coming that will get you.

 

[prerube]

quite a strong disapproval of TomJulio, wow.
This is where I would step into defend him, but he called my poll dumb, so I am going to take my tinfoil hat and go play elsewhere.

What was this thread about again...

What is the future of the New #1 course. Will it be sabotaged or will it hold tight to #1
What is your opinion (crazies welcomed to share theories too)

 

[NDABRUSH]

I'm happy to see the top 10 get a little shake up, but I think it's gonna be tough for many people to get up to this course. I go to Green Bay a couple times each year and it's still a 5 hour drive from there. The closest big city to Highbridge Hills is Minneapolis, 4 hours away.

that is a long drive. if Blueberry can last for a while and endure 5 or 10 trusted reviewers and still be #1 then maybe it is worth the long drive. But I am weary of a 5 star course without a lot of out of state reviews. People that drive 4 hours to a course will prob be expecting a lot and might be a little more strict because of the drive.

 

[tomjulio]

you have said this before tomjulio. In fact when I mentioned the new flippie technique: a day or 2 after Idlewild would get a 5 from a legit out of state traveler a person would join that day and give idlewild a 4 or 41/2. It isn't that obvious and still lowers the course rating enough to let crazy flippies sleep well that night. the old method was 3 new members would join and all give flip a 5. they stopped doing this after we called them out on it and changed to the prev mentioned new tecnique. when I mentioned it tom said " everything isn't a conspiracy, too much fox news or rush". So when a flippie is "under assault" aka has the light shined on them as they are scurrying through the day or night, Tom says the person must watch fox news and listen to Rush Limbaugh. No conspiracy tom...just flippies. tom mentions people that like to bitch. Tom didn't you start the thread "complaining" about the criteria to be in the top 10 as soon as Blueberry Hill was in 1st? you didn't think to start a thread about more strict criteria until flip was out of the top spot..Hypocritical?? just beware fellow threaders and reviewers, if you say something about a flip city "suicide bomber" blowing up the Highbridge rating tom will say you must watch fox news or listen to Limbaugh. Sounds like you have a problem "tolerating" people that have a different opinion than yourself and result to name calling or stereotyping the person. Try to lay off the name calling and throwing people into a group that you assume everybody else despises as much as yourself. It is healthy to be around people with different opinions as it keeps you factually honest and informed.

NDA, I think you are exactly one of the bat-sh#t-crazy conspirators I was referring to, no offense. You have been that way in the past as well. Starting from the moment you bashed me out of the blue with that xxInnovaxx dude.

for example "Tom didn't you start the thread "complaining" about the criteria to be in the top 10 as soon as Blueberry Hill was in 1st?" ...um,nope. I was just throwing out ideas, there is a major difference. But it's people like yourself who take it to a whole 'nuther level based upon your skew and perception of how things should be or perceive things to be. Here's a lesson I learned in the military...KISS. Keep it simple stupid. Ockhams Razor at it's finest and simplest.

Here's the deal NDA...lighten up. It's f$%king disc golf for christs sake.

 

[timg]

Anytime someone registers on the site from the same IP address or in some cases, the same computer, I am automatically notified. I then investigate the new registrations and either approve or deny them based on what I think is going on. Sometimes I will email the person to see what is going on (2 brothers in the same house, etc.).

This system has been in place for quite some time now so unless all these people that you guys think are swooping in and creating false reviews are savvy enough to use proxies, etc. (which chances are they probably won't go through that much trouble) then all the reviews are indeed from different people (or the same people at entirely new locations). Taking the trouble to go to a different location & computer, use proxies, etc. seems like an extraordinary amount of trouble to go through for something as trivial as adding a fake review.

I'm not saying the people aren't fan boys but chances are pretty good that it's not a group of 5 people creating false accounts.

 

[prerube]

Forget flip vs. idlewild or Innova vs. Discraft

Tonights heavy weight match up
TomJulio vs. NDABrush

and the winner is....not this thread

I don't think any of Wi's reviews are questionable, but I think with all "5" ratings people will start going with their hopes to high and it will get 4.5's legitmately. I hope it stays #1 for a little while without being sabotaged by people who have not played the course. (not fake names)

as far as illegitamate reviews, I don't think we should count reviews from people who played a course last year and are just now reveiwing it. I saw one where the guy said "I played this course back in 1998" but was reviewing it 11 years later. (not one of the top 10 courses)

 

[NDABRUSH]

quite a strong disapproval of TomJulio, wow.
This is where I would step into defend him, but he called my poll dumb, so I am going to take my tinfoil hat and go play elsewhere.

What was this thread about again...

What is the future of the New #1 course. Will it be sabotaged or will it hold tight to #1
What is your opinion (crazies welcomed to share theories too)

calling people names and stereotyping people gets old and boring. if he wants to defend bogus flippy reviews or assaults on idlewid or other courses that is his right. But don't pretend they don't exist by whippin out the tin foil, fox news or rush limbaugh card to deflect facts. saying something is a conspiracy is an attempt to discredit the facts by labeling or discrediting the person and not the info. Trust me they are back at the flippie cave trying to come up with some way to lower blueberrys rating. They take this very very seriously. I have no dog in the hunt, I am unbiased as far as the top 10 goes. I have not played any so as far as I know Flip city is the best.

 

[harr0140]

I love this thread . . . now I need to get over to all of the courses, like I said before what will tell us who the top course is would be to have 20-30 people play all three courses and rank them. It will average out over time, just as each courses do . . . the older courses that were in the top 10 from say 5 years ago will likely not stay the same because designs are getting better property is getting better, and overall the challenge of this sport is advancing. It is just like golf, now a course that can stand the test of time will be a course that has multiple sets of tees, of which the longest currently are soo long that noone should play them and expect a par. This is why par means nothing when the pros shoot 15-18 under on a course then the par on that course is wrong. Scratch golfer means nothing anymore. . . . oh wait did I just switch this to a par thread . . . sorry regardless I hope to play flip city next summer and highbridge this fall and I will let you know . . . I have also played winter park a few weeks ago and blue ribbon pines last weekend so I currently have 2 of the 10 hope to hit highbridge this fall and idelwild on my way to florida if it is open in January!

 

[Greg Layton]

haha, the flippie cave. That's good stuff. Someone needs to open up a disc store near between Shelby and Flip and call it that. Then the Flip City/DGCR weekly meeting could be held in the basement instead of a damp cave on the coast.

 

[timg]

Also, to further dispel the conspiracy theories, there are only 2 people (by ip address) that have reviewed both Idlewild and Flip. The rest of them are significantly different between the two courses. All the IP addresses look legitimate and the first 3 octets match in maybe 3 or 4 cases for each course's reviews so there's a diverse group of IPs that make up the review pool for each.

You have to keep in mind that a lot of people play Flip and a lot play Idlewild. DG is huge in both Cincinnati and Michigan. There was a guy from Detroit that drove all the way to Flip the day I played there. I'm not sure if he found it off DGCR but Tom mentioned that the course is seeing a lot more play thanks to the site and that will translate to more reviews.

 

[Greg Layton]

Also, to further dispel the conspiracy theories, there are only 2 people (by ip address) that have reviewed both Idlewild and Flip.

164Valk and I, right? And I believe we both gave each course 5 stars.

I'm betting I'll be the first to play all three courses, just because I'm crazy like that.

 

[timg]

164Valk and I, right? And I believe we both gave each course 5 stars.

I'm betting I'll be the first to play all three courses, just because I'm crazy like that.

I didn't match up the IPs to usernames, I just dumped all the raw IP data into excel and compared the two.

 

[prerube]

TimG, you have done so much for this sport, What you do for this site is amazing. I know no mater what some people will sneak by and try to discredit courses, but that would be maybe 1 or 2 people out of every 50 reviewers. There are so many safegaurds to keep this legit.
Last month when you removed an obvious fake 1 star review you got crap for that.
"you can make all of the people happy some of the time, or you can make some of the people happy all of the time, but you'll never have all of the people happy all of the time"
This should be a PM, but everyone should recognize what you do.

 

[NDABRUSH]

I think that Blueberry will be taken down by votes under 5. the flippies take this very very seriously. I think it has something to do with the fact that the gentleman that has created Flip city has done so not for profit but for love of disc golf or course design itself and us. this is the type of thing that creates a very dedicated following that are emotionally connected to its spot at number 1. now that it has fallen out of number 1, they want to change the criteria to be in the top 10. This is like a child losing at a game and wanting to change the rules because they are losing the game at that moment. I remember when it fell out of #1 before, after they got it back in 1st they were saying Flip is back where it belongs". Belongs there? I hope the entire top 10 will be replaced one day by better and more cutting edge design. I want course design to improve and not to stay stagnant. I hope that 1 day courses will exist that put Flip and Idlewild to shame

 

[timg]

I think that Blueberry will be taken down by votes under 5. the flippies take this very very seriously. I think it has something to do with the fact that the gentleman that has created Flip city has done so not for profit but for love of disc golf or course design itself and us. this is the type of thing that creates a very dedicated following that are emotionally connected to its spot at number 1. now that it has fallen out of number 1, they want to change the criteria to be in the top 10. This is like a child losing at a game and wanting to change the rules because they are losing the game at that moment. I remember when it fell out of #1 before, after they got it back in 1st they were saying Flip is back where it belongs". Belongs there? I hope the entire top 10 will be replaced one day by better and more cutting edge design. I want course design to improve and not to stay stagnant. I hope that 1 day courses will exist that put Flip and Idlewild to shame

Did you miss my posts where I said there is little similarity between the two course's reviewers. Both courses had reviews from very distinct IPs. There is no such thing as a "flippie", at least not in the sense that there is some Illuminati like group out there manipulating the reviews for different courses. If they are doing it then kudos to them because they're going through a hell of a lot of trouble to make it look like nothing is going on.

As for Blueberry being "taken down". It is now in the spotlight in a sense so more people will take the time to travel and play there where they might not have otherwise. Chances are all those people might not consider it a 5 disc course for whatever reason.