badsmurph
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I've notice that alot of right handed course designers over exaggerate the right turnand pin placement.
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Lefty-friendly courses. HONESTLY.
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mreynolds24
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Veteran's Park here in Lexington is very lefty/RHFH friendly for the most part. There is a configuration that can make the course more righty friendly, but the typical layout has me throwing mostly FH.
CaptainAnhyzer
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Joralemon Park is not biased to either hand.
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Luther Britt was the first thing that came to mind.
Being a LHBH thrower, I can honestly say I've never lost a disc at Luther Britt.
Being a LHBH thrower, I can honestly say I've never lost a disc at Luther Britt.
I wish I could tell you how many people get mad at me for saying the exact same thing. Especially true for first-time designers, like 9-ers and private courses.
Not sure about 888, maybe the tee shot, but it's not exactly a lefty hyzer line, and the approach is wide open over the parking lot for righties.
Also, 17? It's a straight shot. Though I think I see what you mean in that there's more room to bail out to the right, it's a short downhill straight shot over hay bails, with no hyzer line either way.
I see this a LOT. Players see a hole that turns left to right and immediately jump that it's a lefty hole, when often it's a better line for a righty anny than a lefty hyzer.
Really? I disagree. But please, feel free to elaborate.
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bhadella
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I've always thought that both the teeshot and approach are easier as a lefty. Instead of having to throw over the road/lot and need to keep clear of trees/curb, I get to throw over inbounds (or atleast the new "hazard" area). Neither Doss nor Schultz have blowups on 888 if they were lefties.
17 definitely has more room for a lefty to dump a fading disc in. Most of the righties looked to throw an anny (to stay clear of the tree) with a stable putter (like a KC Aviar) that pulls out at the end of the flight.
chrishysell
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I hate straight holes
Agreed. Great place to work on my backhand anny's. Tough place to play against my left handed friends.
Kensington Black Locust
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Ballingerj44
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This was my choice also couple miles away oakland university (RIP) was very lefty friendly.
jrawk
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So are we listing Lefty Biased courses? or lefty friendly courses?
I think there's a difference between both labels. Lefty/Righty biased would be courses that heavily favor the one or the other.
A lefty friendly course, to me, is a course that is balanced between left and right finishing holes.
Any single course could also be Biased or Friendly to lefties depending on multiple pin placement configurations.
For example, Scarboro Hills in Street, MD has a very balanced/friendly course layout, however during one PDGA C-tier a few years ago, the course configuration had all but 3 baskets finishing to the left of the teepad... biasing play toward a RHBH or LHFH player.
I can, at my home course, easily bias the course to either Left or Right hand players. But to keep it both righty and lefty friendly, we balance the pin placements.
I think there's a difference between both labels. Lefty/Righty biased would be courses that heavily favor the one or the other.
A lefty friendly course, to me, is a course that is balanced between left and right finishing holes.
Any single course could also be Biased or Friendly to lefties depending on multiple pin placement configurations.
For example, Scarboro Hills in Street, MD has a very balanced/friendly course layout, however during one PDGA C-tier a few years ago, the course configuration had all but 3 baskets finishing to the left of the teepad... biasing play toward a RHBH or LHFH player.
I can, at my home course, easily bias the course to either Left or Right hand players. But to keep it both righty and lefty friendly, we balance the pin placements.
DerekTonn
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As a LHBH player, one of my favorite things in DG is to rip an anhyzer or S-curve on a right-to-left or right-to-left-to-right hole, then tell my friends on my card: "Lefty hole."
Seriously though, I think being a lefty is an advantage...since we (LHBH/RHFH-predominant) have to get awfully good at those anhyzers and S-curves in a HURRY if we want to stand any chance of keeping pace on most courses. Whereas RHBH/LHFH-predominant probably don't spend 10% as much time practicing these shots. Because on a LOT of courses out there? They simply don't need them.
The whole "lefty hole" or "righty hole" stuff is just a crutch/weakness to me though. A chance to whine/complain, instead of strengthening a few of the weaknesses in our game. The only, ONLY time I feel like having a little cheese with my whine is where a course is VERY RHBH-friendly, and also requires a ton of l-o-n-g drives to hit those right-to-left alleys and fairways. I can get an anhyzer out to MAYBE 265-275...but I just can't get those discs to fly right-to-left 300-350 feet. But how many RHBH players out there can throw an anhyzer 300-350 either? And when they're faced with a 300-350 foot left-to-right?! The wailing and gnashing of teeth can be pretty entertaining (lol).
Seriously though, I think being a lefty is an advantage...since we (LHBH/RHFH-predominant) have to get awfully good at those anhyzers and S-curves in a HURRY if we want to stand any chance of keeping pace on most courses. Whereas RHBH/LHFH-predominant probably don't spend 10% as much time practicing these shots. Because on a LOT of courses out there? They simply don't need them.
The whole "lefty hole" or "righty hole" stuff is just a crutch/weakness to me though. A chance to whine/complain, instead of strengthening a few of the weaknesses in our game. The only, ONLY time I feel like having a little cheese with my whine is where a course is VERY RHBH-friendly, and also requires a ton of l-o-n-g drives to hit those right-to-left alleys and fairways. I can get an anhyzer out to MAYBE 265-275...but I just can't get those discs to fly right-to-left 300-350 feet. But how many RHBH players out there can throw an anhyzer 300-350 either? And when they're faced with a 300-350 foot left-to-right?! The wailing and gnashing of teeth can be pretty entertaining (lol).
JamesGC21584
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I always said Mt. Airy in Cincinnati is a lefty forehand course theres like 4 or 5 holes that if you have any fade it's going ob bc of the road
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While most people will use these worde interchangeably, I think JRawk makes a good point in distinguishing between courses that are biased and friendly, and agree that a course that's friendly implies balanced in a way that doesn't neceaasrily favor a cea=rtain aspect of the game or tyope of throw, whereas biased implies that some players will have advantages or distanvatages specifically due to the course's lack of balance.
Other's have mentioned Kensington Black Locust in this thread, and several reviews of Black Locust mention "all the lefty/annie holes" as a con. I describe the course as being well balanced.
FWIW, my game is predominantly RHBH, but I don't necessarily feel my game slips much when I have to throw turnovers, annies and FH ( i.e. I suck regardless of how the fairway's shaped).
Other's have mentioned Kensington Black Locust in this thread, and several reviews of Black Locust mention "all the lefty/annie holes" as a con. I describe the course as being well balanced.
^ pretty much on board with this. At this point, I don't really notice it that much.
FWIW, my game is predominantly RHBH, but I don't necessarily feel my game slips much when I have to throw turnovers, annies and FH ( i.e. I suck regardless of how the fairway's shaped).
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This course has a bunch of hole that turn to the right or right dogleg. Though, I think RHBH turnover, RHFH and LHBH holes are pretty different. Not all holes going right set us for any two of the above.
DerekTonn
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Yep. Freaked me out a couple years ago...when I started realizing that on my approaches <200 feet, if I had the option to throw left-to-right or right-to-left, I'll often take the right-to-left (as a LHBH). I think it's because I have to throw it so often that I'm just used to it. Though the first time I actually caught myself willfully CHOOSING to throw anhyzers over hyzers, I wondered if somebody slipped something into my Diet Dr. Pepper.
I think the super-volcano under Yellowstone might erupt if a RHBH player was out ~200 feet, could pick between right-to-left or left-to-right, and freely chose left-to-right.
Might cause a rip in the fabric of space/time...hehe.
Toro71
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I don't think you'll get too much argument about Winget, but I'm betting some lefties might find Smith debateable. Think about 1, 4, 7, 8, 14, 16 w/r/t OB etc.
I feel like Smith is pretty balanced in terms of challenging shots of both spins.
As a LHBH player, one of my favorite things in DG is to rip an anhyzer or S-curve on a right-to-left or right-to-left-to-right hole, then tell my friends on my card: "Lefty hole."
Seriously though, I think being a lefty is an advantage...since we (LHBH/RHFH-predominant) have to get awfully good at those anhyzers and S-curves in a HURRY if we want to stand any chance of keeping pace on most courses. Whereas RHBH/LHFH-predominant probably don't spend 10% as much time practicing these shots. Because on a LOT of courses out there? They simply don't need them.
The whole "lefty hole" or "righty hole" stuff is just a crutch/weakness to me though. A chance to whine/complain, instead of strengthening a few of the weaknesses in our game. The only, ONLY time I feel like having a little cheese with my whine is where a course is VERY RHBH-friendly, and also requires a ton of l-o-n-g drives to hit those right-to-left alleys and fairways. I can get an anhyzer out to MAYBE 265-275...but I just can't get those discs to fly right-to-left 300-350 feet. But how many RHBH players out there can throw an anhyzer 300-350 either? And when they're faced with a 300-350 foot left-to-right?! The wailing and gnashing of teeth can be pretty entertaining (lol).
I wanted to see what courses there were that I could find with a lefty hyzer advantage. So many people seem to think the disc golf world is perfectly balanced, but the few that actually take the time to look at most courses objectively see the lean towards righty backhands.
The SC Doubles Championship is coming up next weekend at Grand Central. The course is fairly balanced to start, but for the alternate layout, the left-to-right holes will be changed to right-to-left, or straight ahead, negating the few holes where a lefty backhand has a scoring advantage. Also, some of the straight holes are now going to be longer and right to left, again favoring righties.
(NOTE-- I LOVE the course, and the designer, and have talked with him about this, and I cannot vision any alternatives with tee or pin placements that would offset these changes based on the lay of the land/course.)
Both. While I'm looking to see how many lefty biased courses exist and where, I'd love to hear which courses people think are lefty friendly as well.
Smith is pretty well balanced. I think 2 is a much better righty anny than lefty hyzer.
14 is the same way --- yes, it does turn left to right, but it's uphill and the turn is early then moves backward up the hill. Much easier righty anny than lefty hyzer, which just can't get there.
5 is lefty-friendly, though it is a par 4, a lefty can hit both the drive and approach with a hyzer.
6, ok.
17, sure.
Far from a lefty-biased course, but -friendly, I'll allow it.
