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How long should I throw a highspeed driver if I throw speed 7-9 drivers 410-425 feet?

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What am I doing wrong when I don't throw highspeed drivers more often 450+
when I can throw a speed 7-9 disc like Saint or Teebird over 400 feet fairly often?

What Should I work with?
 
sounds like you are getting some good, smooth release. so how long should you throw them? probably until you hang up your disc bag
 
Go out and get a crank, or a tern. If you cant push those out past the saint, you might as well just quit.;-)
 
Possible that you might be releasing everything with some hyzer on it? The higher speed stuff is much more likely to hyzer out faster.
 
What am I doing wrong when I don't throw highspeed drivers more often 450+
when I can throw a speed 7-9 disc like Saint or Teebird over 400 feet fairly often?

What Should I work with?

Im in the same situation, Ive thrown a teebird 450, and consistantly over 400. I also throw a 9 speed valkerie over 400 hundred consistantly, but remember the world record used to be held by a valkerie. The key is just finding the right disc / weight that works for you. I can throw my 169 katana over 400 but not my 175 katana. I can barely throw my 171 boss 380, but can throw my blizzard boss 480. Just find the right weight in the high speed drivers, or get an arm like avery jenkins who throws any driver max weight 700 ft. Tern is great option, or try blizzard champion on the more overstabe drivers like a boss.
 
Possible that you might be releasing everything with some hyzer on it? The higher speed stuff is much more likely to hyzer out faster.

I'm in a similar situation to the OP and I feel like it's going to come down to form in the end. I can throw my Teebird out to 380 - 400ft regularly and my PD stretches out to 425ft but that is about where it all ends. Wraith, Destroyer, Tern and Trespass don't make it any further than the PD without the help of a headwind (those discs are all pretty fresh too, less than 10 throws on each). This is what makes me think that my form is the issue. I threw my Moonshine Trespass today while playing, it caught a slight gust, flipped to flat and made a really nice, tight S turn out to around 460 ft (basket at 453, ended up past and right of the basket leaving a 40ft putt). I see some driving field work in my future.
 
I'm told it's normal for long distance pros to be able to throw putters within 100 feet of their longest drivers, and mids within 50 feet of them. For example, a pro throwing a destroyer 600 feet may throw an aviar 500 feet. I've seen it myself, so I believe it.
 
I'm told it's normal for long distance pros to be able to throw putters within 100 feet of their longest drivers, and mids within 50 feet of them. For example, a pro throwing a destroyer 600 feet may throw an aviar 500 feet. I've seen it myself, so I believe it.

I seriously doubt that.. paul mcbeth is listed on innova's site with a longest throw of 739' I couldn't see him throwing a putter 640'... or even 500' maybe with a big tailwind and downhill on just the putter throw.. and not the driver throw
 
It amuses me when people post on here saying "I've maxed out at 450-500 ft, what am I doing wrong???"
That's similar to saying "My 40yd sprints are maxing out at 4.4, what now??"
When you already possess that sort of skill, it's difficult for anyone to "coach" you to be better. Either ya got it, or ya don't.
 
Speed. Such a confusing rating.

I just updated my Daedalus review (http://heavydisc.blogspot.com/2014/05/innova-daedalus-review.html) with what I *believe* is an accurate description of speed.

Innova lists their definition as: Speed is the ability of the disc to cut through the air. Speed Ratings are listed from 1 to 13. Discs with high numbers are faster. Faster discs go farther into the wind with less effort. Slower discs take more power to throw, but have less of a chance to fly past the basket.


Technically, speed was originally just a measurement of the rim width.

1.6cm = speed 6
1.7cm = speed 7
...
2.2cm= speed 12.
2.3cm= speed 13.

But rim width has zero real information for how it's going to fly in terms of hand speed. Some 2.2cm rims will fly understable, some over stable. Some understable speed 13 discs are almost impossible to put 50mph of initial hand speed on without throwing it sky high.

To be honest, it's a bit confusing because if speed is simply a measure of wind resistance or drag - then the #'s that innova uses have no relation to hand speed or disc speed at all. I think that most disc golfers (myself include) have taken the speed meaning to correlate with the speed you throw it. Turns out, that by their definition - that belief was incorrect. You can have a speed 13 disc that won't fly it's intended path if you throw it 50mph and some speed 13 discs will only fly their intended paths at 50mph.

Ultimately what the speed means, in real world terms - is that higher speed discs retain their initial speed longer than slower speed discs.
 
I seriously doubt that.. paul mcbeth is listed on innova's site with a longest throw of 739' I couldn't see him throwing a putter 640'... or even 500' maybe with a big tailwind and downhill on just the putter throw.. and not the driver throw

I don't think you get her point. I don't want to take anything away from Paul, especially considering is an absolute beast and the most consistent pro out there, but I don't think Paul McBeth throw north of 600 very often, and probably never on a golf line, or even on flat ground with his regular bagged discs (maybe he does, I don't know him personally, but I have watched hours and hours of tournament footage).
For the sake of argument, let's say he can throw his destroyers around 550 on a high flex shot during a golf round, that would mean that he could theoretically push his driving putter around 450. It sounds like a stretch, but I guess he could push his Champion Roc3 around 500 with a little effort.
How for can he drive the Nova? Probably past 400, so I'd be tempted to believe what Jenb has heard.
 
Ultimately what the speed means, in real world terms - is that higher speed discs retain their initial speed longer than slower speed discs.

This is what I've always thought.

OP, Are you throwing at elevation? That can make a difference as well and make the need to go less stable on your higher speed stuff. You got less lift at thinner air and more power or less stability is required to get the discs to fly optimally.

As far as McBeth, I've been seeing him throw his Roc3's 400' quite often on golf lines. Not sure if his 739' shot was a roller or max D competition shot in the desert or something. Maybe he will chime in.
 
nose up would be my first guess. the faster the disc the faster it will fade out due to throwing nose up.
 
If you've tried various stabilities of high speed drivers and you still get just slightly more distance, grip could possibly be a factor. You may just grip fairway drivers smaller rims better?

But I agree with some of the previous posters, your speed variance between the fairways and distance drivers doesn't sound that odd.
 
What courses are you playing that you need to be crushing 500 foot drives!?
 

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