WORLD FIASCO

[Loomis]

"Fiasco" is a bit dramatic, yes?

No. Not flamboyant enough. If it means nothing to you, then let them play.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Whats your solution Loomis?

 

[Loomis]

Why should everyone be allowed to play in a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP? It should be the best of the best and the remaining spots going out to either other low level pros or high level ams that could be dark horses. No one wants to watch a 900 rated player at worlds.

Worlds is open to anyone who wants to play. That's the way it works. You pay your PDGA fees, you get to play.

If you don't want to watch 900 rated players play, then don't watch them. That doesn't mean that 900 rated players shouldn't be given the same treatment and consideration for their World Championship. To focus solely on the 1000 rated player means that the entire idea of the PDGA is a farce.

 

[Improbably]

At least its not getting as bad as foot golf is.

 

[Loomis]

Whats your solution Loomis?

Open up the registration and let them play. At this point, it might be too late for the ladies to make their plans, but it was foolish to exclude them.

And don't tell me it's an issue of courses and volunteers. WORLDS is a nightmare to produce. I watched it done first hand in Kansas City in 2009 and again in Charlotte in 2012. I know it's tough, but that doesn't mean you should cut corners or eliminate opportunities for some and not others.

 

[Loomis]

8 would seem to be a small limit, but there were only 6 competitors in last years event. Apparently that "idiot" that came up with the limit number was someone who actually did some homework. Go figure...

Lemon Lake... please.

The idiot seemed okay with the Open Women division to extend their field to 40 after a substantially smaller field the year before.

 

[Vonbeezy1]

Worlds is open to anyone who wants to play. That's the way it works. You pay your PDGA fees, you get to play.

If you don't want to watch 900 rated players play, then don't watch them. That doesn't mean that 900 rated players shouldn't be given the same treatment and consideration for their World Championship. To focus solely on the 1000 rated player means that the entire idea of the PDGA is a farce.

Idk anything about how worlds works but I'm assuming it's x amount of spots. X amount of spots should be reserved for top level players. Then another x amount should be for low lever pros high ams. It's absolutely ridiculous that MJ is on this waiting list but someone who is 900 has a guaranteed spot. With your argument you might as well make a case that they should redo the playoff system in professional sports and let every team in, even the ones with a 25% win ratio

 

[Anon]

I guess it really comes down to what the PDGA wants to define 'worlds' as at this point.

OP seems to have his vision as an 'everybody is included' lets sing Kum Ba Ya and pretend we are 'growing the sport' type of thing.

I'm guessing the PDGA is moving away from that because it isn't realistic and, more importantly, profitable.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

I really do not know how they are cutting corners. How would increasing the number of participants make the "Nightmare" better? There are 83 people on the wait list currently. Looks like they would only need one more course to accommodate another flight and rework the whole schedule. Sounds like an easy fix.

 

[Halcón]

To focus solely on the 1000 rated player means that the entire idea of the PDGA is a farce.

The best players in the World playing the World Championships? You're right, silly idea.

 

[Loomis]

I really do not know how they are cutting corners. How would increasing the number of participants make the "Nightmare" better? There are 83 people on the wait list currently. Looks like they would only need one more course to accommodate another flight and rework the whole schedule. Sounds like an easy fix.

The Nightmare is something you accept when you put in your bid to host worlds.

If you're going to CAP the worlds numbers, then make sure the CAP is a general number and not just division specific. Were there more women who wanted to play? I bet there were. Is it a good idea to discourage them from participating in PDGA events by telling them there's no place for them on the biggest stage of our sport? Maybe Masters Women should only have to pay half price for their PDGA membership because only 8 of them can play at worlds. Maybe Legends should only be six bucks. If there is no interest in these players, why should they have to put up a full share?

 

[DeadEye]

You guys fight over the dumbest stuff.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

So you want it to be a strict first come - first served arrangement? If that was the scenario I would guess the womens divisions and some of the age protected division numbers would be even smaller.

FYI All of the age protected division players have the option to play open too. The 37 open players on the wait list most likely did not have the option to play in an age protected division. Why should open have the biggest restriction on cap size? Technically if I was a Womens Legend disc golfer I would have all 388 spots available to me, just as long as I had the points to qualify.

 

[scarpfish]

Masters Men: ...72
Masters Women: ...8.

This is a huge insult.

Considering disc golfers are around 92% male, I think its properly proportioned to give them 86% of the spots. FWIW, there were six Masters Women entered last year, nine in 2012, six in 2011, eight in 2010.

i think you should have to accumulate a certain amount of points in open to play in an event as big as worlds. it's kind of a joke that MJ is on the wait list while some 920 guy can be playing.

Now that's a rant that I can get on board with. Let the best qualified players get first crack at the spots, followed by lesser qualified players four weeks later, followed by a waiting list if it needs to get to that.

 

[scarpfish]

If you're going to CAP the worlds numbers, then make sure the CAP is a general number and not just division specific.

A little hard to do when you have multiple pools which have to stay segregated, and there's an extra emphasis to not do mixed division cards.

 

[Halcón]

There is opportunity for anyone to win.

Hilarious. :clap:

 

[disctildeath]

There IS a demand for the Masters AND Grandmasters Women's division. Doesn't seem to matter to the TD or the PDGA.

And all rage is necessary. A lack of rage allows mediocrity and banality to reign. Hence a division of 8 at a World Championship.

Well, use that rage and cut a check or sponsor at world's so they can afford to do more. You said you have seen firsthand running these big events, well why should TD's allocate these spots (which means allocating more money and/or merch for payouts which most players seem to think grows on trees) when the division doesn't generally get more than 10 players anyway in a sport that has little to no mainstream exposure or sponsorship? This is the reason certain female "pros" take home cash when they played a division by themselves, I agree with the owner of Vibram, get rid of age protected divisions, have just mens and womens open and start taking the pro aspect of the game seriously.

 

[JC17393]

There is one reason and one reason only that all divisions at Worlds are capped: LOGISTICS.

If you don't grasp the concept that there are a finite number of courses, a finite amount of time, and a finite number of staff members at the tournament, then I don't know what to do for you. You can't just let anyone in who wants to play without any limits because there simply isn't enough space and time to allow them all to play.

Worlds has forever had a qualifying process determining invitations. Just because until recently it has never filled and "anyone" has been able to get in if they want to, doesn't mean it has to remain open to all forever. Bottom line is if you really want to go to Worlds, you have to earn your way there and then you have to be prompt in registering when the time comes. No whining after the fact that your division is limited or you didn't sign up in time. EVERYONE has the same opportunity to play.

 

[Timeetyo]

The only thing I don't like about how the worlds was the signup / qualifying process which leaves people like MJ on the outside. It would be much better if there were a specified period where only those with the most points for the division could sign up, after which it opened to a free for all.

For example - in X division they plan to have 72 slots. For the protected sign up period restrict it to ONLY the 72 highest point holders for that division...then we don't have an MJ left out. After the restricted period - open it up to first come, first served.

 

[DavidSauls]

Is MJ on the waiting list because he didn't sign up when registration opened, or because it filled so fast on that day that it was a crapshoot as to who got in, and who didn't?

Do they do Pro Worlds like Am Worlds, where everone over a points threshhold is invited, and after a certain period, it opens up to others?