How often do you 888, DNF rounds in league play?

[zrxchris]

I have kept with the mantra of not giving an 888 to anyone in league unless if it's a total, "Screw it, I quit" situation.
So what would you do when you have a nice college guy, the week before SECO who looses his go to disc in a round and does not finish so he can look for it.

Players statement was "I lost my go to driver. Im going to be swamped all week until the collegiate SECO tournament this weekend so I wouldn't have time to look. Finding that disc was more important to me than finishing. I wasn't even doing bad, probably would have cashed, but I didn't want to go to seco without my favorite driver. It sucks but taking one bad league round is less important than not being able to throw the shot I want to several times at the collegiate tournament this weekend"

Do you 888 a round like this in league play?
In a tournament, I would think you would have no choice but to play on...I know league is supposed to be the same but at the same time it is Tough cause every other TD would 888 a round like that. Trying to grow our league not chase folks away.

What do you think?

Also player stated, "And that article states that a player should be given an 888 if "the player intentionally attempted to have a round dropped to protect their rating by not completing the round..." as I said before, I was not throwing bad, I am certain that I was growing better than my rating. So with that being said I dont think that is a justification to place an 888 in any case if I was throwing better than I normally should"

Thoughts?

 

[mashnut]

Nah, if it's not a pattern and he didn't leave a card without enough players to complete the round I'd 999 it rather than give him the 888.

 

[WhiteyBear]

Didn't matter what tier it is, is it considered professional and sportsmanship?

If yes, 999
If no, 888

"Well, he didn't mean to foot fault, or rush his putt so he missed a three footer, so we'll give it to him."

TD decision, could go either way.

 

[discreid]

It's my understanding that the 888 is to prevent ratings manipulation. I don't see any evidence of that here, seems pretty straight forward to me.

 

[WhiteyBear]

It's my understanding that the 888 is to prevent ratings manipulation. I don't see any evidence of that here, seems pretty straight forward to me.

"Although not directly related to ratings manipulation, the 888 code can also be applied to players who DNF without giving the TD sufficient notice they would not be showing up for the next round. "Sufficient notice" is defined as at least 15 minutes prior to tee off assignment time. Players who DNF without such notice will be reported as an 888 code by the TD.

The Statistics Committee will also be tracking DNFs, Tanking and 888 codes this coming season to determine if any further actions are necessary. The intention, of course, is not simply to punish such unsportsmanlike and unprofessional behavior, but rather to draw attention to it and eliminate it from our play. We believe that this goal can be achieved with cooperation of players and event staff. We also trust that this policy will remove the perceived rating benefit of not finishing a round or taking excessive throws. The penalty, while not a very serious or long lasting one, is intended to achieve that purpose.

Additionally, we expect these procedures to improve player behavior in regards to informing staff when they intend to not participate in a round of play. This behavior is unprofessional and organizationally disruptive, but is not currently addressed in the rules."

If not just ratings manipulation, it's also people who just drop out.

So if this player had a scorecard of 3/3/3/2/3/4/2/2, it's one thing, if it was 3/5/4/9/2/3/6, and the player "had to get his disc", then that's another thing.

It's TD discretion. But if you join a sanctioned round, and just decide to quit, that's not very sportsman like, is it?

 

[BgWvDave]

He didn't just decide to quit. He quit to look for a valued disc. The 888 rule is 2 fold. One it is an attempt to curb tanking/quiting rounds for ratings manipulation, does not sound like it applies here. and two to make sure that players inform TD's that they will not be returning for future rounds, which is just common courtesy. This does not seem to be the case here either. So I am inclined to agree with Mashnut. 999 is what I would give him as a TD.

 

[Jay Dub]

Since it's/he's the way you described I would allow him to drop out without the 888 but make sure he understood the next time, no matter the reason, he gets an 888.

 

[Discette]

999 Because there is zero evidence it was done to manipulate ratings.

 

[Mocheez]

I would give him the 999 and demand $20 cash in return. Then I would use that cash to buy cigarettes and lottery tickets.

 

[Mocheez]

Just kidding, I don't smoke... probably just lottery tickets.

 

[ru4por]

999 at the TD's discretion. It does say something about having that one perfectly seasoned disc that cannot be lost. I have always tried to keep my "go to's" out of the box discs. Not sure what would stop him from hopping on line for 10 minutes to order another disc, but we each have different lives.

 

[Improbably]

Since it's/he's the way you described I would allow him to drop out without the 888 but make sure he understood the next time, no matter the reason, he gets an 888.

That sounds like an improper implementation of the rules.

 

[Jay Dub]

That sounds like an improper implementation of the rules.

Yeah, so?

 

[notroman]

As others have mentioned before, the purpose of 888 is to reduce the number of people tanking rounds on purpose. The clause where it can also be applied for not giving the TD enough notice that they would not be showing up for the next round is just there to help tournaments run smoothly. If you are running a tournament and someone decides to bail on a card of three people, those two people now have to split up and join other cards, creating backups and headaches for others. Had the TD known that someone wasn't coming back for the next round, he could organize cards efficiently to ensure a good flow for the players.

Sounds like this guy didn't do this to protect a rating, nor did this impede overall tournament flow. I don't see how it warrants an 888.

 

[WhiteyBear]

Sounds like this guy didn't do this to protect a rating, nor did this impede overall tournament flow. I don't see how it warrants an 888.

The question is, is this sportsmanlike, and is this professional behavior? Even if you aren't a pro, it's not your competitors fault that you lost that disc, and the dynamic of that round has to change.

It is TD's discretion, ultimately, on what this call is for this particular situation. If you just quit because you want to look for a disc, that's weird in the first place, and means that the disc means more to you than the tournament does, thus in turn it means more to you than your finish and rating.

 

[zrxchris]

Thanks for the comments.

I went with the 999.

Main thing I try to stress during league play is that the round should be treated as a if it was a tourney round. These circumstances were very out of the norm, the situation would have played out very differently in a tourney. I once lost a red go to disc off tee in a tourney and had to go without it after everyone helped look. If the same thing happened to me in a league round, I would have played on but I guess that's me.

 

[SpikeHyzer]

Only once and it was because of an injury sustained during the tournament. Tried to throw around a tree and the trunk ended up hitting just above the elbow, thus hyper extending my elbow on follow through. :doh:

 

[sidewinder22]

It should be 888 unless you went Tin Cup and lost all your discs, otherwise there is no excuse for not finishing and burdening your card.

 

[JC17393]

It should be 888 unless you went Tin Cup and lost all your discs, otherwise there is no excuse for not finishing and burdening your card.

"No excuse" and "burdening your card" aren't reasons to apply an 888.

From the official TD report instructions:

Code 888 was added for TDs to indicate when a player has been confirmed to have been manipulating their score or did not complete the round to protect their rating. In addition, enter 888 when a player does not play their next round and did not notify the TD in advance.

The default code for a DNF is always 999. Only in specific circumstances as laid out in the quote above should an 888 come into play. If the OP doesn't think the player quit in order to protect his rating, then there's no reason to apply an 888 at all.

 

[sidewinder22]

"No excuse" and "burdening your card" aren't reasons to apply an 888.

From the official TD report instructions:


The default code for a DNF is always 999. Only in specific circumstances as laid out in the quote above should an 888 come into play. If the OP doesn't think the player quit in order to protect his rating, then there's no reason to apply an 888 at all.

Sounds like losing a disc would affect his rating, so he said F*** it. If the group was in a 3 threesome, they would have to split up and find new cards.