[Latitude] Saint. What is it for?

[MikeM]

Recently picked up an Opto Saint. Threw it for the first time in the woods and, when powered down a bit, flew nice a straight.

However, tested in open field, in headwind, it just rolled. In tailwind, it still finished to the right.

What do you all use this disc for? Powered down fairway drives?

 

[Snap-it]

Saint's are unreliable in wind, I think Lat 64 only gives it a "1" fade rating. Try the Escape instead, Mike.

 

[zendragon]

I've thrown 3 Saints. None flew the same and they were all unpredictable. Sometimes I could get a nice straight hyzerflip and sometimes it just turned and burned. All of them were less stable than any Teebird I've thrown. Closer to a River, or in Innova terms, maybe a faster, less predictable Leopard.

 

[MrGlass01]

saints and wind are not good together. without wind they have a nice glide a sice turn and reliable fade. longer leopard maybe.

 

[zendragon]

Saint's are unreliable in wind, I think Lat 64 only gives it a "1" fade rating. Try the Escape instead, Mike.

Escape is definitely closer, but I wouldn't call it a wind fighter.

 

[@iDiscGolf]

What do you all use this disc for? Powered down fairway drives?

I don't throw the Saint, But I have owned a recycled saint years ago and it was flippy. But, that's what I expected. It's a straight to under stable disc. Not something you would throw into any wind without being effected. It has allot of glide which could be useful, or, prove to be problematic.

Are you just wondering how it fits in, or recommendations for a certain role?

 

[Reniger]

Because of Trilogy glide, wind is a traitor. Treacherously.

In still conditions, the Saint has great glide for a fairway and will hold a predictable fade at the end of flight. Any wind at all? Goodnight. Watch it float up, get smacked down, shift side to side, and get dumped into the ground.

However, do not doubt this disc. Use it in still air and fall in love!

 

[Snap-it]

Escape is definitely closer, but I wouldn't call it a wind fighter.

No, but it's not going to be messed up as much in the wind. Seems to have a more reliable fade.

 

[MikeM]

Are you just wondering how it fits in, or recommendations for a certain role?

Either or. I am definitely wondering what its role is in a given bag. I want to bag it for a bit to give it more of a chance, but I really haven't come upon a shot where I said to myself, "I think the Saint is the disc for this shot."

But, it has been windy around me lately. So I really don't have a good feel yet for what it can do in calm conditions. That must be why I liked how it flew in the woods. I was shielded from the wind.

 

[Aim For The Chains]

I've thrown 3 Saints. None flew the same and they were all unpredictable. Sometimes I could get a nice straight hyzerflip and sometimes it just turned and burned. All of them were less stable than any Teebird I've thrown. Closer to a River, or in Innova terms, maybe a faster, less predictable Leopard.

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[@iDiscGolf]

Either or. I am definitely wondering what its role is in a given bag. I want to bag it for a bit to give it more of a chance, but I really haven't come upon a shot where I said to myself, "I think the Saint is the disc for this shot."

But, it has been windy around me lately. So I really don't have a good feel yet for what it can do in calm conditions. That must be why I liked how it flew in the woods. I was shielded from the wind.

Yeah. Probably a good woods disc, seems like it would also power down and get good range. Also depending on your power, it may need to be thrown on a certain degree of Hyzer release angle. (If it's turning over)

If you want to go guns out open field distance, probably reach past the saint for something else

Every disc can have a use, that's what's fun about the game of disc golf. Finding that role and having fun with the experience.

 

[Beener]

Either or. I am definitely wondering what its role is in a given bag. I want to bag it for a bit to give it more of a chance, but I really haven't come upon a shot where I said to myself, "I think the Saint is the disc for this shot."

But, it has been windy around me lately. So I really don't have a good feel yet for what it can do in calm conditions. That must be why I liked how it flew in the woods. I was shielded from the wind.

I use pop-top domey, OPTO Air Saints as my primary "stable" distance driver. My preferred release has a bit of hyzer, so the Saint works really well as a flip-up and glide machine.

If there is wind in play, I'll switch up to the Saint Pro. Feels the same in the hand, but less glide and more fade for more "reliability" in the wind...

 

[@iDiscGolf]

^this man gets it!

 

[Brodysseus]

Saints are perfect hyzer flip max distance discs for people with lower to moderate arm speed. In the right conditions, they bomb, just like any distance disc. One of the farthest flying discs (for my arm speed) that I've thrown, but they didn't make the bag because I wanted something a little more predictable in my distance slot. As stated, that glide is just as big of a vice as it is a virtue.

 

[Monkeypaws]

I've had a bunch of Saints, all Opto.

2 were reddish glopto, 169 and 171, and they are what I consider standard. Start out straight with fade, eventually the fade disappears and they fly totally straight.

I bought a used Saint, 175, and it flew like a beat in Saint as above.

I bought another used Saint, from someone on these boards, 171, looked pristine, but it flew like the understable ones described in this thread. Steady turn.

The last 2 I've bought, 172 and 164, have both flown like the Saints I expect, fairly stable, even in a wind, and with good fade.


Yes, they vary, but don't judge this mold from a single disc, which sounds like an outlier to me.

A fresh 170+ Saint is really not much different from an Escape.

 

[Snap-it]

The Opto Saints I've had, including 2 early sparkles, could be thrown on a rope and have almost no fade. They also did sweeping hyzers really well. They would turn into the wind though and not come back.

The Escapes I have(2 Lucids) are faster, longer, and definitely more stable than my Saints. I can rely on the fade, even though it's moderate. Most throws with the Saint, any fade at all will kick in very late and it's hardly worth mentioning. The Escape also powers up better, as it's more of a distance driver in wing design and flight than the Saint, which seems like a true fairway driver.

Neither are wind fighters, but IME the Escape is the better disc. Lat 64 came out with the Saint Pro because of complaints about the Saint's stability.

 

[slowplastic]

I found they start off like -1/2, then beat to a -1.5/1 type rating when thrown quite hard. They hate wind, don't even think about it. I haven't thrown one for 3-6 months (lost it as I tend to with moderately understable "control" drivers...so much control...) but when I was throwing it 330-375' it would reliably hyzer flip to a right ride and then come back to middle but never really have a fading hook, at all.

Its biggest uses were for uphill shots that couldn't be thrown super high, low ceiling tunnel shots that end up in the open so you just need to blast it through a gap and then have it carry....and the best use....moderately downhill shots where you hyzer flip and it never fades.

My biggest problem with it (other than wind) was that in the power range I threw it in, if there was any breeze or torque on it I would have it ride wayyy right, but if I missed my hit point at all it would act like a -0.5/2 type disc and go significantly left of my intended path. It liked to be thrown firmly but would then carry real well.

I'm back to the Teebird now...not as flashy and doesn't do a few of the more spectacular shots the Saint does (like downhill shots that go forever), but when it messes up I know it's my fault.

 

[mattc]

Saints and teebirds should not be compared at all.
Two completely different discs (saint pro is very close to a teebird, but still not a teebird)

I use a saint as my goto driver (i am a 300'-350' noodle arm) I carry 2 or 3
They are pretty understable for big arms (that why they created the saint pro) but I love the glide.
They beat into straight, losing it fade (similar to how a teebird loses its fade) so if there is a small amount of wind, I get out a fresh one.
If there is a little more wind, or its L2R I get out the saint pro.
Great disc, I prefer the Glopto @ about 170g

 

[mbntheman]

saint

I love latitude 64 but struggle with the saint. My is gold line - it is available for trade, anyone?

 

[alfonseski]

I have had two saints, both 172 Opto and they are/were(lost one) the same. They start out somewhat stable and break into almost neutral. If I go and do field work I tend to flip them(throw much harder in field work than off the tee). As for wind I play in heavily wooded northeastern woods and while it is not unheard of to have wind its not terribly common around here. So what do I use my saint for?

sometimes LONG upshots. However I recently acquired a beautiful truth and I have a feeling I will throw the truth for all but the longest upshots at which time I will throw something faster than the saint. Here is where the saint really shines though, powered down drives. I played a tournament a few weeks ago on a VERY difficult, technical, and long course. I said ok, goal today is to hit the fairways. I pulled out the saint and proceeded to hit them time and time again with very powered down drives that still go 80% as far as anything else. Of course it did burn me as I became enamored with the disc so much that I threw it on the LONG downhill par 5 and flipped it, but that is my fault not the discs, it was for powered down shots, not huge downhill drives. You could throw a long mid for the same shot, like a truth or buzz as someone in my group did, but you have to put more on it for the same D.

Another use my saint has is when I have a long forehand upshot, I don't like to overpower my forehands so I will pull out the saint and throw it on an Anny and between the glide and the big S shape of the throw it goes quite a ways.

Day in day out I do not throw my saint much though anymore, only on a real technical course as described above. I may have to try an escape as mentioned above. Will make me sad though as my saint has come through for me so many times:clap: