Greg Williams (PDGA #3135) bagged 27 consecutive birdies, including a complete round, at the 2000 Horizons Park Classic: #14-18, rd 3; #1-18, rd 4; #1-4, rd 5.
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John Matlack shoots 18 under at A Tier
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Sounds like John shot a nice round, and I envy a 1065 rated round. That's in McBeth territory right there. He should be proud of that. :thmbup: :clap:
Now, there's par and birdie and all kinds of ways to compare apples to oranges. Heck I've shot a 32 under 'course par' at Winton Woods (the course brutalbrutus was talking about), but with 16 out of 18 holes now being really legitimate par 2's, I don't think the 1978 'pars' really mean much, do they? I'm a 900 rated player who shot well one day in league. I'd've still lost to almost all the open players in a tourney with my 39. So if I ever want to compare, I go with sanctioned ratings as the best tool.
Now, there's par and birdie and all kinds of ways to compare apples to oranges. Heck I've shot a 32 under 'course par' at Winton Woods (the course brutalbrutus was talking about), but with 16 out of 18 holes now being really legitimate par 2's, I don't think the 1978 'pars' really mean much, do they? I'm a 900 rated player who shot well one day in league. I'd've still lost to almost all the open players in a tourney with my 39. So if I ever want to compare, I go with sanctioned ratings as the best tool.
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Do you really feel that nearly 70 points difference between McBeth 1132 (-17 at the Fountain) and Matlack 1065 (-18 Steady Ed) is an accurate difference in achievement on those 2 distinct courses.
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John used to live in Denver and I'd play with him at CHU pretty regularly. He and Dollar came up together and you can tell... they putt and throw thumbers very similar. Glad that he's getting back into the tournament scene.
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MJ shot a -17 at the Upstate Classic one year, no aces, if I recall correctly. The one he 'missed' hit center chains and splashed out.
I thought I saw that on a list of the top 20 rated rounds a few years ago. That list also included a round or two from Sarah Cunningham on that same course among womens' top rated rounds.
I thought I saw that on a list of the top 20 rated rounds a few years ago. That list also included a round or two from Sarah Cunningham on that same course among womens' top rated rounds.
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Bunch of "worst dudes ever" on this thread.
"Hey this guy shot a 1065 -18"
Response
"Yea but the pars and ratings system arn't that good"
"Hey this guy shot a 1065 -18"
Response
"Yea but the pars and ratings system arn't that good"
Get that soapbox up high, fella.
The rating is fine. It's determined against fellow competitors on equal footing.
Par, on the other hand, is a very rough and somewhat silly way to determine how good somebody's round was in a vacuum.
I do. If you discount the possibility of aces or long throw ins McBeth was only 1 stroke off of a virtually perfect round at fountain. Matlack on the other hand was, depending on how you precieve certain holes, between 4 and 6 stroke off of perfect and needed an ace to get a stroke back from one of his pars.
Meh, not that hyperbolic. He literally could do what he said and he's actually arguing that by nature par is fairly arbitrary, especially disc golf par. :\ You just agree to disagree.
-18 is a cool round though, impressive either way.
I guess that's true. I don't care for "what is par" debates. I just wanted to give some props for a phenomenal round. The fact that it was exactly -18 on 18 holes is cool. I think the rating was fair.
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Any round sub-50 on Steady Ed's tougher layouts is really good. With regard to comparing Fountain and this Steady layout, they're about 7-8 throws different on SSA meaning they're each in a different category for "Best Round" recordkeeping. The higher the SSA goes above 52 or so, the lower the potential highest rating ever. That's because 18 below SSA (potential but not theoretical perfect round) continues to increase as a percentage of SSA as it increases. This isn't an issue for "normal" ratings, just those at the fringe of possibilities. I haven't figured out an objective way to compare the perceived quality of say a 15 under on a 66 SSA course with one on a 54 SSA course even though most observing those rounds would likely say the 15 under on the 66 SSA course was more impressive even if not as highly rated.
https://youtu.be/JthnN1DWWHA
If anyone wants to see a video of the course in question. The layout we played this weekend was only slightly different then on this video. Matlack is featured here too, improved his score on this course by 10 strokes from the HoFC!!!
If anyone wants to see a video of the course in question. The layout we played this weekend was only slightly different then on this video. Matlack is featured here too, improved his score on this course by 10 strokes from the HoFC!!!
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Just because someone is an extremely good pro doesn't mean they know what they are talking about.
And/or course designer
And/or TD
And/or PDGA board member
And/or TD
And/or PDGA board member
The fact that Nina asked:
suggests that he does not, in fact, understand how the ratings calculations work.
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I'd always thought Matlack had some really hit rounds like this in him. He's a way better golfer than he gets credit for.
Really cool to see him carve up a course like that. Must have been clicking on all cylinders!
Really cool to see him carve up a course like that. Must have been clicking on all cylinders!
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