threevok
Double Eagle Member
my bad, these paychecks must be a figment of my imagination
There's a song in there somewhere. Thanks.
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my bad, these paychecks must be a figment of my imagination
I don't really think open source (collaborative software, publicly funded research, etc), in which the expectations are laid out ahead of time and/or the creators are already well paid, applies to an individuals unique work of art by usually financially underpaid visual artists.
Sweet I'm gonna use this "under the radar" card to do some cheating at league. And these kids walk past my house every day, I bet I could EASILY sell them drugs under the radar. Honestly there's just so much fun stuff to do under the radar, and that's a lot cooler target than right or wrong. I won't tell y'all all my criminal ideas cuz after all I'm trying to stay under the radar with my scummy activity. Why my parents, teachers, and every responsible adult I've ever met was so hung up on right vs wrong when all you have to worry about is the radar, I'll never know.
...I'm not going to bent out of shape about use of IP unless I'm aware of a specific artist that feels they're being ripped off.
Sweet I'm gonna use this "under the radar" card to do some cheating at league. And these kids walk past my house every day, I bet I could EASILY sell them drugs under the radar. Honestly there's just so much fun stuff to do under the radar, and that's a lot cooler target than right or wrong. I won't tell y'all all my criminal ideas cuz after all I'm trying to stay under the radar with my scummy activity. Why my parents, teachers, and every responsible adult I've ever met was so hung up on right vs wrong when all you have to worry about is the radar, I'll never know.
Ok. I'd bet you'd get a bit more bent out of shape if you were an independent artist/developer trying to make a living from your creations.
Interesting tactic: put a person with whom you disagree in a hypothetical situation, then assume their reaction. I love it.
Who knows, maybe your assumption is correct. Or, maybe I'd appreciate the exposure, or maybe I'd feel some pride/validation that my work got noticed and adapted by others.
Either way it's a hypothetical...just like these criticisms of IP infringement. If I was aware of one solid example of an artist who felt like they'd been slighted, I might feel differently about this topic. So far I haven't seen that. I've only seen grandstanding and white-knightery on behalf of content creators whose opinions remain unknown.
Damn brah. That totally goes against this new 'open source' creativity (theft) movement that is becoming the new norm.Either have an original idea, or pay the person who did, or get called out for the slimy f-cking thieves they are.
I've got a studio art degree and have made my living for the last 10 years in disc golf with creative original ideas. I've had over 200 of those original ideas turned into stamps. 3 different parent companies have put me on staff so that the original ideas that spill out of my head on a daily basis can be their property and grow their businesses. I've never filled out a job application, I've been recruited based on my original ideas. You can buy my original ideas all over the place, you might have already. Millennium, DGA, MVP, and Axiom have my original ideas on the shelves right now. In the last 10 years I've made less than a thousand dollars outside of disc golf, and I haven't had any other jobs besides my disc golf original ideas gigs. People thought my original ideas for design were so good that they trained me to develop websites, and I developed sites and display features and original disc flight algorithms. I invented and sold the IP for MVP's flight charts, which have now been copied by other companies. People run wholesale orders of my old stamps from places I'm no longer with, because my original ideas are profitable products. While my wife was in college I supported us both with my original ideas. Creativity and original ideas are how I stay alive in every sense of the word -- all my money comes from original ideas, and my hobby of creating original music is very important for keeping me in a creative mindset 24/7.
Now I'm not a disc maker, and I understand that Gateway's thing is making discs, and whatever artwork helps sell it is acceptable to them. But please understand that I think it's scummy as f-ck, that it's theft, it's slimy, it's the most illegitimate thing going on in disc golf today, and I have no respect for Gateway and Fringe offshoots who choose to steal property that *someone* out there created for their livelihood.
Either have an original idea, or pay the person who did, or get called out for the slimy f-cking thieves they are.
I've got an appreciation for their original ideas and creations... got a Wizard stash for 8 lifetimes. But I've also been turning down any design gigs that might run through Gateway because of their theft practices.Nice rant! I'm inspired to go buy some Gateway now. Thanks!
Damn brah. That totally goes against this new 'open source' creativity (theft) movement that is becoming the new norm.
You should just be happy and flattered that you are getting the exposure. LOLOLOLOL.
Oh hell yeah I've been ripped off and stolen from, exploited, not paid for work, etc. Do you own something? Would you mind if I stole it? Say you were having a yard sale of your property, and something has a price tag on it because you intend to sell it (this is licensed art & logos in the analogy)... do you mind when someone sees it, likes it, and decides the price is $0 because they want it? AND THEN they stand there and sell it to someone as their own property?That's awesome that you've made a career in that way, and I definitely appreciate your desire [and need] to defend your IP.
--But--
Are there any specific designers that you know (or know of) who have been victim to IP infringement? (Have you?) Or is this just a general criticism without any examples. It still sounds to me like you're speaking on behalf of other designers who may not want or need the representation.
This is far from my area of expertise, so let me know if there's some understanding in your industry that I'm on the wrong side of. I'm willing to give Gateway the benefit of the doubt unless given specific examples to the contrary.
Dora the Explora showing kids how to make meth with household materials in comic sans. Free original idea right there.Lets get back to ideas that you guys think that they would say no to stamping.
Like do you think they would stamp just the "F" word as big as possible.