CaptainAnhyzer
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The words Bogey and Birdie don't fit on the scorecard so when I ask what you shot on the last hole, PLEASE respond with a number.
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Surprised you don't know that ball golf has established par/handicap standards for several "expert" levels: Championship, Men, Women, Senior and Junior. The ball golf approach was the impetus for defining our skill levels in DG but more PC using colors instead of age/gender discrimination."Skill-level based par" :thmbdown: :thmbdown:
A. "...what an expert golfer would expect to score on a hole..."
B. 850-rated 'expert'
Yeh, A. and B. go together well.... :wall:
"Skill-level based par" :thmbdown: :thmbdown:
A. "...what an expert golfer would expect to score on a hole..."
B. 850-rated 'expert'
Yeh, A. and B. go together well.... :wall:
I've come to understand that "par" is irrelevant. Whether it's twelve-down or three-up, a 57 is a 57, no matter how you slice it.
I agree that it makes people new to the sport feel better (knowing they can shoot "par"), but in the final analysis only the total amount of strokes are what matter. The rest is just semantics and ego-strokes.
Do you play tournaments often?
Par is VERY important when folks miss holes and the penalty is par+4. Depending on the skill level of the player, this matters quite a bit. Missing a Par 5 and carding a 9 is way different than missing a Par 3 and carding a 7 especially in your total score scenario.
Par is unit of measure, like calories.
I've come to understand that "par" is irrelevant. Whether it's twelve-down or three-up, a 57 is a 57, no matter how you slice it.
I agree that it makes people new to the sport feel better (knowing they can shoot "par"), but in the final analysis only the total amount of strokes are what matter. The rest is just semantics and ego-strokes.
Your point is valid.
The skill-level based pars are extensions of the basic definition. Which is why I say only Gold/Open/1000-rated par should be just "par" without a qualifier.
All other skill level pars should always use a qualifier. You could call B. "Red par", "850 par", "Recreational par", etc., but it should never be called just "par".
Par doesn't really matter for rec play since "default par 3" is simply an easy way for scoring without a card. It specifically matters in competitive play with regard to late penalties, tracking over/under for live scoring which will eventually be available for every player at every event, and the relatively untapped realm of tracking your personal stats in competition such as birdie, par, bogey percentages or par saves. Without legit par values, those stats either cannot be tracked or are meaningless.
What should the penalties be for players who are late and miss a hole?Penalties that add x strokes to par are silly and should be removed anyways.
What should the penalties be for players who are late and miss a hole?
I'm like Ty Webb, I don't really keep score.
What should the penalties be for players who are late and miss a hole?
Not irrelevant when hosts need to attract spectators. If/when that happens, over/under appropriate par will be more relevant to spectators than the geeky shots saved/earned stat. Did you see big scoreboards at the Masters with shots saved stats or on the online leaderboard even though they have the resources to do so? And as mentioned already, over/under appropriate par will be better for tracking live scoring of other players in their division while playing the round.Those stats are already meaningless, and strokes saved/earned stats are the only really meaningful stats to track in any golfing activity. Live scoring works fine with +/- on all par 3. Penalties that add x strokes to par are silly and should be removed anyways.
Your move.