When you stop condescending women, you begin to change the culture and start fixing those issues.
Does this mean I have to quit telling your mom to make me sammiches?
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When you stop condescending women, you begin to change the culture and start fixing those issues.
I find it unfortunate, yet slightly amusing how conversations online go. This one has covered a gambit of topics... Very few of which (I find) relevant to this particular circumstance. Since I am not qualified to speak on behalf of most of those topics, I will provide my perspective from a business and marketing standpoint.
Discraft is, in fact, a business. I'm sure they have multiple goals we're not aware of tied to their business plans... That said, I guarantee one of those goals is revenue generation. So, from that perspective, Elaine was an employee of Discraft, just like (you) and I are employees of our companies.
Side Note: My personal opinion of Elaine is irrelevant to this topic, but I appreciate what she has done for the sport of disc golf and more specifically the impact she has had on the growth of the FPO division.
Having said that, (good) businesses make business decisions based on available data and think beyond the moment right in front of their faces. For example, if I were in part of Discraft's marketing function, I would look at:
> Elaine's current "brand" recognition among active golfers
> Elaine's recent tournament activity & winnings
> Elaine's future plans for tournament participation, potential travel, and personal revenue generation from event winnings.
> Does Elaine compete regionally, nationally, or internationally? What is her "shelf life" for continuing to compete at a high level?
With those metrics in mind, it becomes a little clearer why she does not have a signature disc now. Should she have been awarded a signature disc from back in the day when she was winning world championships? Maybe, that's not really my place to say... But, my opinion is yes.
At this point, Elaine is in a similar situation as Ken Climo. They are both still tremendous ambassadors for the sport, but not as marketable as they once were to current & future target markets. This might be unfortunate, but it's just business, not personal. And, everyone eventually gets replaced by a younger version eventually, it just happens much more quickly in professional sports.
Going back to the point of Elaine being an employee of Discraft... A signature disc would have had multiple business impacts. These two would be top of my mind if I were part of their marketing function.
1. Much like other professional athletes that sell their individual brand through apparel (jerseys, hats, shoes, etc.), a disc that contains the company logo and personal signature series have licensing complications. These cost Discraft money that lands in Elaine's pocket. Good for Elaine, and only good for Discraft is her affiliation with a particular mold increases unit sales.
* How much would that affiliation increase sales? 5%, 25%, 100%?
2. If Elaine uses a popular mold that already sells well, the Comet for example, then Discraft is basically handing her money for a disc that already sells. I think someone mentioned the Nate Doss Ti Buzzz a little while ago... So, that would not really be a good business decision for Discraft. Additionally, if they have another (nationally) touring Pro, like MJ, that uses the Comet and has higher brand recognition among a demographic that makes up a larger portion of current customers & prospects, then they really should be using his name to market to that group over Elaine's...
Last note, on Val... This is complete conjecture. But, I would assume part of her negotiations to come over to Discraft included a signature series disc. Us normal folks would consider that a signing bonus, like when we start a new job and are negotiating salary, benefits, vacation, etc. They already know Val already has an established brand, tours, and wins, so it is a safe investment on their part...
When you stop condescending women, you begin to change the culture and start fixing those issues.
Elaine finished 10th in FPO this year at Worlds. And won Pro Masters. And is in the top 10 for cash winnings this year. She's still very, very good.
I don't disagree, in fact I agree...
I am not bashing Elaine at all - what she has done is amazing. I am just trying to illustrate that marketing leaders need to invest in players that will yield the highest return. Unfortunately, Elaine is on the back side of her career. Many other available players will net a higher return for longer...
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I agree! She is still very good. But, she is now pushing grandmasters age... Which, I applaud! Unfortunately, the target demographic for manufacturers' marketing dollars is more likely to be males, ages 15-25. Elaine just doesn't sell to that crowd as well as other players.
I am just trying to illustrate that marketing leaders need to invest in players that will yield the highest return. Unfortunately, Elaine is on the back side of her career. Many other available players will net a higher return for longer...
And you know this because …?
So that must be why a player who ranks 71st in the current ranking, has never finished higher than 13th in an NT or 44th in an Open Major, and whose rating has stagnated merits a signature disc while a team mate who ranks 20th, consistently finishes higher in NTs and Majors (7th and 8th in NTs, 7th in a Major), and whose rating continues to rise, doesn't.
Juliana Korver had a signature disc with Discraft! A Juliana Bower Stratus (her married name at the time). This was before she signed with Innova. People can still find these on eBay every now and then. Why Elaine King never had one is beyond me...There's no irony here, and if there were it wouldn't be funny (and btw: irony isn't always humorous). Back in EK's heyday, no women from any sponsor had a sig disc. JK was the first as far as I know, and when she received her two it wasn't due to wins or marketability. She suggested a new blend for a putter and the Valkyrie was compensation for work she had done, be her own admission. Paige's first win with Discraft got her a sig Stalker. Val moved to Discraft the year after a win, and so she got a sig Thrasher. Elaine and Val's situations aren't comparable, so no irony.
The OP starts off with "crazy feminist", and even after you defending him he's spouting **** about "white knight feminists".......I would hope you see the irony.
Explain what you mean. A naked assertion is unhelpful.
To preface, I'm not entirely clear on you position but I disagree that white knighting and feminism are mutually exclusive. The traditional definition of white knighting is one that simply comes to another's rescue and a male helping a female achieve social, economical, and/or political equality would seem to fit the definition of white knighting for feminism.
To preface, I'm not entirely clear on you position but I disagree that white knighting and feminism are mutually exclusive. The traditional definition of white knighting is one that simply comes to another's rescue and a male helping a female achieve social, economical, and/or political equality would seem to fit the definition of white knighting for feminism.
Maybe signature discs are not give on an exclusive performance base criteria. Perhaps regional influence is taken into consideration. Perhaps selling the sport, perhaps Ultimate involvement, perhaps giving back to the game........
I think this is the case.
Someone was questioning Tim Barham getting signature Cranks, but he takes down nearly every Michigan tourney.
I think this is the case.
Someone was questioning Tim Barham getting signature Cranks, but he takes down nearly every Michigan tourney.
No offense to Michigan but it isn't exactly overflowing with talented players anymore. Only one other player other than Tim over 1000 rated.I think this is the case.
Someone was questioning Tim Barham getting signature Cranks, but he takes down nearly every Michigan tourney.
But Innova signature discs are reserved for KC, McBeth, JK, Avery and previously Dave.
Also in the "previously" category would be Sandstrom (Valkyrie) and currently Wiggins... although both of those could be in a sub-category of Distance Champions. Definitely not touring signature discs though.
Oh... and Yeti has a putter too!