2018 Memorial Championship

[Cgkdisc]

Nikko makes the foot fault call. Ricky was clearly 2 feet behind marker on release based on video. Video evidence can't be used. No one seconded the call. Play continues with no penalty.

Forehand faults like that can be easier to confirm. Just call out to the thrower to "freeze". Thrower can see their foot since it doesn't follow through like a backhand.

 

[JC17393]

Nikko did nothing wrong there at all. Made the correct call as he saw it, totally by the book. Deserves full credit for it. Boo to KJ and JohnE for either not watching or not having the guts to second it.

 

[Vonbeezy1]

What are you talking about? He saw a violation and he's trying to call it. Nobody could second it because they weren't paying attention - which they were supposed to be.

Smashboxx replay showed that throw and Ricky's foot did seem a good 2 feet behind his mini, so Nikko wasn't just blowing hot air.

I'm talking about the way he handled it. He was throwing a fit about it not being seconded. And then made several comments about how he would have been called on it and blah blah blah

 

[JC17393]

That wasn't a fit (certainly not by Nikko standards). That was a player making his case. Justifiably not happy about not getting the second but he wasn't over the top about it.

 

[Vonbeezy1]

That wasn't a fit (certainly not by Nikko standards). That was a player making his case. Justifiably not happy about not getting the second but he wasn't over the top about it.

Yes not over the top, agreed. I made it out to be more than it was. Probably just because of his antics all the time.

 

[F. Howl]

Nikko is ridiculous with how slow he plays, especially putting. His quick putts are in the 25 second range (from mini down to release). Others, like his circle 2 putt from the OB line on 4, have been in the 45-50 second range.

I know this topic gets beaten to death, and I'm sure the refrain will be "they're the last card, they're not slowing anyone down, who cares?" But it takes the live coverage, which already has more than enough dead time, and just drags it out even more.

One thing is for sure...it makes me glad I'm not quite on a level as a player that I'll likely ever get carded with him in a round. It would not be a pleasant experience for either of us.

I timed it... 43 seconds after he marked his lie, retrieved his disc, and dropped it next to his lie. Just under 30 when he finally stepped to the mini and putted. Not sure when you're supposed to start the stop watch. Either way 18 holes of that would be tedious.

We used to get this guy that would take the full 30 at our random doubles weekly. Putting and driving. :wall:
He was notorious for it, and I think ostracized to the point he stopped showing up.

 

[jimimc]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I do not believe a stance violation needs to be seconded.

 

[Cgkdisc]

There's a potential twist this year I'm wondering if throwers would be allowed to honor in this situation. While other players and officials can't use video evidence, seems like the thrower should be able to look at a video of what they did and ask TD to add the penalty and correct their score.

 

[JC17393]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I do not believe a stance violation needs to be seconded.

It does need a second under new rules. There is no more warning for the first violation, it is a penalty right away so a second is required.

 

[Cgkdisc]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I do not believe a stance violation needs to be seconded.

Correct.

 

[F. Howl]

If someone called me on it and I wasn't sure, I'd like to think I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Cgkdisc]

It does need a second under new rules. There is no more warning for the first violation, it is a penalty right away so a second is required.

Where do you see this?

 

[JC17393]

Where do you see this?

801.02 E

Penalty requires a second.

802.07 C.

Stance violations no longer carry a warning.

 

[jimimc]

Just saw this. Any penalty throws need to be seconded.

 

[billyjacko]

I leave the room for 2 seconds and I miss the Nikko foot fault call. Was it on Hole 11 or 12?

 

[notroman]

I leave the room for 2 seconds and I miss the Nikko foot fault call. Was it on Hole 11 or 12?

Hole 11, Ricky's second throw.

 

[@iDiscGolf]

What are you talking about? He saw a violation and he's trying to call it. Nobody could second it because they weren't paying attention - which they were supposed to be.

Smashboxx replay showed that throw and Ricky's foot did seem a good 2 feet behind his mini, so Nikko wasn't just blowing hot air.

You are missing the irony entirely. It has gone over your head...

 

[notroman]

You are missing the irony entirely. It has gone over your head...

I don't think I am, but you can try to prove me wrong.

 

[F. Howl]

^^^

You are missing the irony entirely. It has gone over your head...

Yeah, Vonbeezy's post seemed sincere.

 

[@iDiscGolf]

I don't think I am, but you can try to prove me wrong.

Arguably Nikko is at fault of a violation on every throw he makes, time wise. While no one calls him, he calls someone for a foot fault. It's just funny.

^^^
Yeah, Vonbeezy's post seemed sincere.

I don't understand your post.