Nate Sexton boycotting DGPT?

[lyleoross]

The folly in your argument is the notion that most viewers are only watching Jomez because it's Jomez and not because they've been showing the top cards at the top events in the game.

Honest question...you have one hour to watch disc golf coverage and a choice between final round lead card coverage of elite tournament X featuring McBeth, Wysocki, Barsby, and Ulibarri or final round third card coverage of the same event featuring Lizotte, McMahon, Heimberg, and Melton. You don't know the results yet. Which one will you watch? Unless you're a superfan of one of the four on the third card, you're most likely picking the lead card, no? Without even considering which channel it's on.

Content drives viewership, not the provider.

I'm gonna disagree. For me, I watch Jomez cause their coverage is great (they aren't the only ones) but mainly cause they knew their strengths and weaknesses and hired the best commentators. Their overall package is the best for me. I watch pretty much every thing they put out. CCDG is the same, again, for me.

 

[wolfmandragon]

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.....

 

[wolfmandragon]

I'm gonna disagree. For me, I watch Jomez cause their coverage is great (they aren't the only ones) but mainly cause they knew their strengths and weaknesses and hired the best [infomercial hosts]. Their overall package is the best for me. I watch pretty much every thing they put out. CCDG is the same, again, for me.

Ftfy

 

[lyleoross]

He stated clearly that "This is not a boycott", yet you title your thread 'Nate Sexton boycotting DGPT?' Why turn this into some kind of battle to take sides on? Seems like you did all the guessing.

Eman is all about that clickbait title

I'm gonna cut Eman some slack. The whole everything has to be a controversy to get eyes is now the online norm, everyone does it. Frankly, it's getting old.

I like Nate, adult, I like Jomez, professional, I like Steve, savvy ahead of the curve. I wish he had kept Jomez, but I don't have to pay the bills. I'm deciding, based on output whether I will reup for patreon.

 

[lyleoross]

I'm gonna disagree. For me, I watch Jomez cause their coverage is great (they aren't the only ones) but mainly cause they knew their strengths and weaknesses and hired the best commentators. Their overall package is the best for me. I watch pretty much every thing they put out. CCDG is the same, again, for me.

Ftfy

So, clearly you think you made a point. Um, there's a reason I wrote, for me. See, for me means that it's what I like and I how it impacts me. Clearly, for you it's different. Great. But I didn't need you to ftf me, since that isn't how it impacts me. Maybe you could try, "for me they seem like infomercial hosts, and I don't like that."?

 

[takman]

Nate posted his full explanation after Eman made this thread. Nate's original post just said he wouldn't be playing DGPT events and more to come later.

So that makes it a little less of a jerk-move I guess. He should un-jerk the title and remove 'boycott' IMO. Should make for good pointless discussion anyway.

 

[JC17393]

I'm gonna disagree. For me, I watch Jomez cause their coverage is great (they aren't the only ones) but mainly cause they knew their strengths and weaknesses and hired the best commentators. Their overall package is the best for me. I watch pretty much every thing they put out. CCDG is the same, again, for me.

So if, in my hypothetical, you could only watch one card and Jomez filmed the third card and random competent 3-camera media crew X filmed the lead card, you'd choose to watch the third card coverage? I really don't think that's typical.

I'm not saying anything against Jomez and the production they put together. It really is very good and arguably the best around. But I don't think they're approaching 100,000 subscribers as they are if they're not filming and publishing videos of the top tier tournaments featuring the very best in the game. They don't get where they are if they're publishing local B-tiers with players no one outside the immediate area would recognize, even if they had all the same bells and whistles (3 cameras, 1080p/60fps quality, Slomez, good commentary, etc). The content is the driver.

Is it disappointing that Jomez won't be covering DGPT tournaments? Sure. Is it the end of the world? No. Boycotting is dumb, whether it's viewers or players (to be clear, I'm quite certain Sexton is not boycotting anything). It's like boycotting the NBA if they moved their national broadcast from ABC to CBS. Maybe ABC did a great job, but in the end, are you watching to hear Mike Breen and Jeff Van Gundy call the game or to watch Lebron and Steph and Harden play the game?

 

[Moose33]

I don't have strong feelings about which events Nate plays, BUT as someone who watches a ton of events with Bigsexy commentary... Steve better get a couple of great commentators to make going without Jomez work. I watched almost every DGPT event, often with our neighbors like normal people watch a football game. Part of that is because of Nate and Jerms likeable and informative commentary.

If whoever they get isn't as good...we will just keep watching Jomez.

 

[Brockness Monster]

I for one will not be watching any Pro Tour coverage unless it comes from Jomez or CCDG. Third card, first card whatevs, it's all about the quality for me.

 

[pearlybakerbest]

They don't get where they are if they're publishing local B-tiers with players no one outside the immediate area would recognize, even if they had all the same bells and whistles (3 cameras, 1080p/60fps quality, Slomez, good commentary, etc). The content is the driver.

This is truth. Pure Hyzer Productions was a great channel that had well known golfers in nearly every video, but with only covering regional b and c tiers they could not stay viable do to low view and sponsorship potential. CCDG seems to be the only crew with a working model to cover smaller events, wherein they get the tournaments on board covering expenses in hopes the coverage will grow said tourny.

 

[JC17393]

If whoever they get isn't as good...we will just keep watching Jomez.

This is baffling to me. Why is it an either/or proposition? No one has to stop watching Jomez if they can't publish DGPT content. Nor should anyone not watch DGPT just because it isn't on Jomez.

 

[DatRedDude]

I for one will not be watching any Pro Tour coverage unless it comes from Jomez or CCDG. Third card, first card whatevs, it's all about the quality for me.

How do you know they won't be high quality? Have they put out anything yet to judge that? Honest question, not trying to argue.

 

[Moose33]

This is baffling to me. Why is it an either/or proposition? No one has to stop watching Jomez if they can't publish DGPT content. Nor should anyone not watch DGPT just because it isn't on Jomez.

I think you misunderstood, I'm going watch Jomez content either way. I'm not going to watch DGPT That much if the new commentary team is subpar.

 

[JC17393]

I think you misunderstood, I'm going watch Jomez content either way. I'm not going to watch DGPT That much if the new commentary team is subpar.

Didn't mean to suggest this was your stance, but it is one that is out there (see Brockness's post as an example).

Guess I'm just as baffled that commentary is that much of a factor. I mean, I don't like Joe Buck but I still watched the World Series last fall because I like to watch baseball (and I'm a Red Sox fan). It doesn't matter to me who the commentators are as long as I get to see the action on the course. I watched the DGLO to see McBeth shred the course. I couldn't have cared less who was commenting on it.

 

[Brockness Monster]

How do you know they won't be high quality? Have they put out anything yet to judge that? Honest question, not trying to argue.

If it turns out that the content is on par with Jomez and CCDG, then I will probably watch it. But it will not be easy for them, especially right from the start. These guys have the experience and they know what works.

 

[Brockness Monster]

Didn't mean to suggest this was your stance, but it is one that is out there (see Brockness's post as an example).

Guess I'm just as baffled that commentary is that much of a factor. I mean, I don't like Joe Buck but I still watched the World Series last fall because I like to watch baseball (and I'm a Red Sox fan). It doesn't matter to me who the commentators are as long as I get to see the action on the course. I watched the DGLO to see McBeth shred the course. I couldn't have cared less who was commenting on it.

Does my viewpoint offend? :|

Poor quality production is painful to watch and I will not subject myself to it. I do not know that the quality will be poor, true, but it will take alot of hard work to be at the same level.

 

[JC17393]

Does my viewpoint offend? :|

Poor quality production is painful to watch and I will not subject myself to it. I do not know that the quality will be poor, true, but it will take alot of hard work to be at the same level.

If I was offended, I'd say I was offended. I said baffled. I am baffled, befuddled, bemused, bewildered, confounded, confused, perplexed, puzzled, but by no means offended.

If you're setting the bar for quality at Jomez (unquestionably the best in the biz right now), then you're setting yourself up for disappointment. No one is going to live up to that, at least early on. Hopefully you, and others who think like you, won't write off DGPT coverage too soon just because it doesn't instantly live up to your standards. Even Jomez didn't become Jomez overnight, after all.

 

[Lazerface]

If your a fan of disc golf and are going to boycott a particular media company. You are a ridiculous person.

 

[armiller]

My daughter is in her 3rd yr of med school. She is busy all of the time. She doesn't have a husband or a child. Obviously it can be done, but going on tour during this time would be next to impossible.

Yes, 3rd year of med school is the worst for time, although some rotations aren't as bad. I believe there are a number of disc golfers out there who discovered or re-discovered disc golf during 4th year, when there's a little bit more free time. Nevertheless, 4th year has its own stresses, as many students are traveling for rotations at places where they hope to do residency (I'm guessing this is what Nate's wife is doing and why they'll be living in AirBnBs for 5 months). It sounds healthy/normal to me that he be supportive of his wife (and kiddo) during such an important time in her career.

Content drives viewership, not the provider.

Agreed. I love CCDG and Jomez, but the content (caliber of players and event, as well as the specific course) is what dictates whether I watch or not. Fortunately, the caliber of all disc golf video production is going up so much that you can find worthwhile content from newer channels. Several newer channels (and some others that aren't so new) are quite impressive on YouTube. They'll probably never get the big events, but I'll watch selected videos depending on player quality and if I know the courses. Jomez has some content that I almost never watch (e.g. those local final round competitions) and CCDG is similar, with some smaller local tournaments that I'll skim just for fun IF I have time or am interested by one of the players or courses.

As you mentioned, it depends on how much time you have. This time of year, I'm so desperate for DG coverage that I'll watch just about anything. But in the end, I enjoy re-watching old tournaments with the better events and players.

 

[Brockness Monster]

If I was offended, I'd say I was offended. I said baffled. I am baffled, befuddled, bemused, bewildered, confounded, confused, perplexed, puzzled, but by no means offended.

If you're setting the bar for quality at Jomez (unquestionably the best in the biz right now), then you're setting yourself up for disappointment. No one is going to live up to that, at least early on. Hopefully you, and others who think like you, won't write off DGPT coverage too soon just because it doesn't instantly live up to your standards. Even Jomez didn't become Jomez overnight, after all.

you seem.....exacerbated :\

That's the point right. Dodge and the Pro tour will instantly lose viewership before they gain it back. This whole fiasco has not sat well with fans and players alike, and when the players (obviously not all of them) are not happy with a decision you know something is wrong. So my statement holds true that I will not be watching DGPT coverage unless it comes from Jomez or CCDG.

Now if it was just simple bafflement that led you to post on this thread, then one post should have satisfied your need to be vocal, but you were argumentative and pointing out supposed follies in peoples arguments. Just my two cents