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Help a beginner out please.
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Steal Your Face
Newbie
Ok well I guess ill stick to my Mako and Aviar Driver for now. Maybe pick up a BuzZz and just use those to drive with until I improve my technique. Thanks for all the advice
djjeremiahj
Double Eagle Member
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my advice isnt about improvement.
it's about giving this guy the tools to go out and have fun.
all of you get too involved with the sport and forget that most of the DG world dont really care about improving, competing or anything else. They just want to have fun and not look like they suck.
For most, the disc golf sensei master regimen of how to build the perfect DG player is lost. At the point when a player decides to make the commitment to be a better player the regimen methods are sound, but until then, most guys just want to get outside, knock a few back and throw some discs.
it's funny how this sport is very similar to it's ball compliment, but few of us would actually have the same desire and drive to master the technique as we do with a disc.
my advice isnt about improvement.
it's about giving this guy the tools to go out and have fun.
all of you get too involved with the sport and forget that most of the DG world dont really care about improving, competing or anything else. They just want to have fun and not look like they suck.
For most, the disc golf sensei master regimen of how to build the perfect DG player is lost. At the point when a player decides to make the commitment to be a better player the regimen methods are sound, but until then, most guys just want to get outside, knock a few back and throw some discs.
it's funny how this sport is very similar to it's ball compliment, but few of us would actually have the same desire and drive to master the technique as we do with a disc.
skinner21
* Ace Member *
that may be true, but if the guy cares enough to get on here and ask for advise, he is probably going to want to improve, not just plateau early and not know what's wrong. Alot of new players don't realize that a nice straight disc will cut more strokes off their score than adding 20 feet with a super overstable driver. you lose so much accuracy that you spend half your time in the woods looking for it.
I would suggest a Stalker or TeeBird. They are great drivers and sill go a looooong way, even for noobs.
skinner21
* Ace Member *
ditto. nobody who comes onto this site looking for advise is content being where they are at with their game.
Steal Your Face
Newbie
Yes, I am looking to improve my game, out of the ten 18hole rounds i have played i normally score about +3 to +5, i have broke even 3 times tho. My friends shoot -6 or better seen one of them ace twice in one day. Gets me wanting to get good.
toothyfish
* Ace Member *
As you can see, there are several approaches to the game. And we all have our favorite discs and how-to ideas.
Personally, I think your choices above are smart. Take some time with these 2-3 discs and get out there and play. See where it takes you. There are alot of resources to help you: this site, youtube videos, DVD's, where you can get good advice and see how to do it. As you gain a bit of confidence out of those discs, look at one of the fairway drivers that was recommened.
Realize one thing: when standing on the tee of a 600ft par 4, don't feel you have to wing the crap out of that Mako to reach the basket, nor should you feel you can't play the hole without some fast distance driver. Three nice throws and you're putting for par.
Enjoy the sport and welcome to DGCR.
the BESTESTIST advice right here folks.. I wish I could start all over and start with just a putter or a midrange instead of buying up the cool looking fast flying discs
Good luck friend!
Billipo
Birdie Member
I suggest not getting ten, but learning three. one of each - putter, midrange and fairway driver. start with lower end plastic in the 160's g weights for drivers, it is more beginner friendly. You can't go wrong with any of these. fairway driver suggestions - cyclone, teebird, #1 driver. these will some day become your go to turnover and controlled drivers learn them well. midrange - i like ones with glide like a squall or a comet a #3 flier is also a good pick (under 170g they float -dunno if you worry about water) putters are personal preference.
norcaldisc
Birdie Member
If you do indeed get an Avenger I HIGHLY recommend the Avenger SS. The regular avenger is for an advanced/high intermediate player. Avenger SS is a freakin sweet disc for anyone.
Steal Your Face
Newbie
Yeah that's what i planned on. Am i safe to assume SS stands for Super Straight? Or something straight? Well i just went out in the front yard and threw my Mako and Aviar Driver quite a few times from about 60-80 feet out and would always land within 20 feet or under to my target(a big Red Bull Can cooler) First time its snowed here this winter tho so cold and snow kept getting in the rim of my disc had to come inside :O
djjeremiahj
Double Eagle Member
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i'm not suggesting that anyone that wants to play competitively should forgo technique.
i see it this way.....
my home course sees hundreds of people every day... and austensibly 1000's per week... and yet, there are only 10-15 guys who want to play in the top tier $5 money tournaments each week. The rest of us arent good enough or dont care. So the "technique" method only applies to the top 10% of all players. The rest plateau in the 300' range and are ok with it.
also -
You are suggesting that a guy watching others throw @ 300' to really lock into a disc that throws 200-225' just for the sake of "technique".
Over the course of 500' that same logic actually costs the player1-2 shots.
"It's ok bros, i'm going to throw this putter only 1/2 the distance you guys do because its better for me in the long run...."
I'm suggesting that the same player "cheat" pick up an instant distance disc that will give him 250-275' and make his second or third shot at a much reduced distance.
"I know i suck, but i can put this disc a lot closer to your guys throw. Instead of taking 4 shots i only take 3 now."
It "feels" better and makes the game more satisfying for a new player.
Technically, over a long couse or tee, the "shorter" more accurate throw tends to be statistically a failure. Let's take a 500' pin.
Putter/Mid Approach (@ 225' per) -
Shot 1, 225'
SHot 2, 450'
Shot 3, Approach to Pin
shot 4 - Putt
vs.
Cheating Distance Approach
Shot 1 - 275'
Shot 2 - 500'
Shot 3 - Putt
The shorter "more accurate throw" assumes that all 4 shots are controlled, and it gives the thrower 1 extra shot to mess up. It's also a guaranteed 4 (and possibly 5) shots.
The longer method, also assumes that the thrower has accuracy, but it is actually less. IF any of the same shots were errant, then the thrower would add 1 shot to compensate, AND be at the same shot count as before. This is a guaranteed 3 (and possibly 4) shots.
PLUS, the added bonus of throwing something harder and farther (even with less control) helps build muscle memory and muscles that the same thrower obviously lacks (as proven by the short distance).
Until a Noob gets good enough to par and birdie almost every pin, he wont really care about "technique" or how to get good enough to care about competing. This is 1 full year from the date he starts. SO until then, why not help the guy have fun and give him every opportunity to be "satisfied with his game" and not quit because his buddies throw @ 300' and he throws @ 225'.
i'm not suggesting that anyone that wants to play competitively should forgo technique.
i see it this way.....
my home course sees hundreds of people every day... and austensibly 1000's per week... and yet, there are only 10-15 guys who want to play in the top tier $5 money tournaments each week. The rest of us arent good enough or dont care. So the "technique" method only applies to the top 10% of all players. The rest plateau in the 300' range and are ok with it.
also -
You are suggesting that a guy watching others throw @ 300' to really lock into a disc that throws 200-225' just for the sake of "technique".
Over the course of 500' that same logic actually costs the player1-2 shots.
"It's ok bros, i'm going to throw this putter only 1/2 the distance you guys do because its better for me in the long run...."
I'm suggesting that the same player "cheat" pick up an instant distance disc that will give him 250-275' and make his second or third shot at a much reduced distance.
"I know i suck, but i can put this disc a lot closer to your guys throw. Instead of taking 4 shots i only take 3 now."
It "feels" better and makes the game more satisfying for a new player.
Technically, over a long couse or tee, the "shorter" more accurate throw tends to be statistically a failure. Let's take a 500' pin.
Putter/Mid Approach (@ 225' per) -
Shot 1, 225'
SHot 2, 450'
Shot 3, Approach to Pin
shot 4 - Putt
vs.
Cheating Distance Approach
Shot 1 - 275'
Shot 2 - 500'
Shot 3 - Putt
The shorter "more accurate throw" assumes that all 4 shots are controlled, and it gives the thrower 1 extra shot to mess up. It's also a guaranteed 4 (and possibly 5) shots.
The longer method, also assumes that the thrower has accuracy, but it is actually less. IF any of the same shots were errant, then the thrower would add 1 shot to compensate, AND be at the same shot count as before. This is a guaranteed 3 (and possibly 4) shots.
PLUS, the added bonus of throwing something harder and farther (even with less control) helps build muscle memory and muscles that the same thrower obviously lacks (as proven by the short distance).
Until a Noob gets good enough to par and birdie almost every pin, he wont really care about "technique" or how to get good enough to care about competing. This is 1 full year from the date he starts. SO until then, why not help the guy have fun and give him every opportunity to be "satisfied with his game" and not quit because his buddies throw @ 300' and he throws @ 225'.
waynewf
Double Eagle Member
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Yeah, definitely stick with the discs you have. Adding a Buzz is also a great idea. If you get the itch to buy plastic, try different putters until you find something you really like....Banger-GT, Gateway Wizard, Innova Pig...until you find one you really like.
And if you do have the itch to get a driver, which you probably will and there's no reason you shouldn't, just keep it simple and get something like a Leopard or Valkyrie.
NothinButChing
* Ace Member *
holler
Steal Your Face
Newbie
Which would be better for a beginner a Surge SS or Avenger SS ? Gonna order a BuzZz and one of those.
simpletwist
* Ace Member *
Not to push anyone's button, but SYF, you play ball golf. Justin Leonard & Mike Weir win their fair share of tournaments and they are whacking the ball 300 yards. I have no idea if you plan to play competitively now if ever. But my point is you can play and play well without matching the long throwers in your group.
Another ball golf analogy. I played quite a bit of ball golf a few years back. So did my son. My son could pound the ball a lot further than I could. But my approach and putting game was stronger and I usually bveat him. My son, Mario worked at a Country Club. So we played there for free. There was an old guy who played with us on occasion. His driving average might have been only 200 yards. But it was always 200 in the fairway. His approach shots and putting were money. He beat us everytime.
You might be able to throw a disc a long way, but a long way, the wrong way isn't as good as a good throw in the fairway. Why turn par 3s into par 4s?
Another ball golf analogy. I played quite a bit of ball golf a few years back. So did my son. My son could pound the ball a lot further than I could. But my approach and putting game was stronger and I usually bveat him. My son, Mario worked at a Country Club. So we played there for free. There was an old guy who played with us on occasion. His driving average might have been only 200 yards. But it was always 200 in the fairway. His approach shots and putting were money. He beat us everytime.
You might be able to throw a disc a long way, but a long way, the wrong way isn't as good as a good throw in the fairway. Why turn par 3s into par 4s?
Bubbajoe
Birdie Member
Avoid the Surge. Way to much right now.
djjeremiahj
Double Eagle Member
this argument only works if you are playing a short distance.
if you are playing longer, the guy who is accurate @ 200 yards will add a shot to his "consistent play" everytime. He will always be +1 or more depending if he makes his play. Whereas, your son, will always have the potential to be -1,0 or +1 based on his play. Whats the worst thing that happens, he shanks, and takes the same 1 stroke that the old man took to get the same distance. (Same score count). The old man always beats you because he doesnt mess up and is consistent in all facets of his game, not just his drive. If you played doubles with him, and he used your drive for the distance, i bet he'd kill you based on the extra distance and same consistency factor. Distance matters.
In the short range, the difference of 25-50' can be an entirely different shot selection and or disc selection.
By odds and statistics, in the beginning and until you are good enough, longer is better.
That doesnt account for the "ego factor" that with the short throw, you look like you "suck" in comparison to your experienced friends. I think most would rather have errant throws with comparable distance verses a slow and steady approach.
Refute the logic....
Golf is a matter of distance and "penetration". Getting closer is almost always better. If my 2 shots equal your 3 shots, who wins? I might shank one and need an extra shot, but i am still @ 3.
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If you're getting an Avenger or a Surge I'd go with the Avenger SS. My newbie pack recommendation is Leopard, Roc or Buzz, and Aviar (or other putter of your choice). If you're ever choosing between two discs with similar qualities go with the one that feels better in your hand. That will tranlate into confidence and yield better results.
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