Do you like gimmicks?

[oldmandiscer]

It's A Ray, and I am from Texas. My handle is my real name.

And if you believe this poll you presented is valid and reliable enough to draw a conclusion of most disc golfers, you're lost my friend. Several negative responders on this very thread, including myself, saw the bias in the phrasing and did not vote in the poll. And if you think the respondents are representative of competitive disc golfers as whole, then we can just agree to disagree. I think that is in no way representative.

Make up your own poll then. If you feel like people would vote differently.

 

[zenbot]

We should make players have to kick the disc in from within 6 feet. Since we are making up gimmicks then every other tee shot has to be left handed too. opcorn:

Nice strawman, bruh.

 

[oldmandiscer]

Nice strawman, bruh.

Were doing gimmicks right? Why are your gimmicks legitimate but mine are not?

 

[araytx]

Make up your own poll then. If you feel like people would vote differently.

If I do choose to poll this topic it definitely won't on these DGCR threads. I see plenty of pros at actual events.

 

[zenbot]

Were doing gimmicks right? Why are your gimmicks legitimate but mine are not?

You've slippery sloped to asinine levels forgetting that there are existing rules in place for how you're allowed to propel a disc.

 

[oldmandiscer]

You've slippery sloped to asinine levels forgetting that there are existing rules in place for how you're allowed to propel a disc.

We've already reached asinine levels with the raised baskets, ropes on the ground and mandos everywhere. It's just been death by a thousand paper cuts. Little by little the gimmicks have taken over. When all we needed to do was change the basket size. Leave the gimmicks to mini golf.

 

[Steve West]

You've slippery sloped to asinine levels forgetting that there are existing rules in place for how you're allowed to propel a disc.

Really? Quote them, please.

 

[oldmandiscer]

If I do choose to poll this topic it definitely won't on these DGCR threads. I see plenty of pros at actual events.

I never heard of a pro who liked raised baskets but Brodie.

Just in the recent skins video on youtube Simon throws a bomb shot on a downhill par 4 that veers right and lands in the open grass far right, then he says well that's OK. Then the card mates say, that is OB. Simon says, "why? That is so stupid." lol

 

[oldmandiscer]

Really? Quote them, please.

Didn't a guy do a drop in with his mouth in a tourney video? It was sort of weird but within the rules.

 

[Cgkdisc]

I never heard of a pro who liked raised baskets but Brodie.

Just in the recent skins video on youtube Simon throws a bomb shot on a downhill par 4 that veers right and lands in the open grass far right, then he says well that's OK. Then the card mates say, that is OB. Simon says, "why? That is so stupid." lol

Note that pros liking or disliking design elements should have no bearing on whether they are used as long as the elements are safely designed and provide skillful entertainment or drama.

 

[zenbot]

Really? Quote them, please.

I phrasesd incorrectly. There are existing rules that omit how you're allowed to propel a disc with the exceptions of stance, etiquette, etc. (Hence, you can "throw" with your foot.) There are no rules that allow a TD to decide that you must play left-handed, headbutt in putts, etc.

However there are rules on mandatories, OBs, etc. that allow the TD and/or course designer to make these judgements.

OMD made a dubious claim to suggest that because OB may be in play, why wouldn't society devolve further so that the player is only allowed to throw thumbers. (Like a game of Ript Revenge.)

 

[ballgolfconvert]

Hole 2 in my backyard has an alternate raised basket test placement that is up +50 feet from the valley base. Fairway clearing slated to begin this fall . I haven't decided on the final basket spot yet. Perhaps I'll alternate between what's shown (set back 45 feet from the boulder edge) and 10 feet from the boulder's edge, or even abandon the location altogether. To extreme?

That is not a raised basket, rather a severely uphill basket. Depending on distance from basket to ground at pole base, you could consider it standardized by my definition. If the picture is from the tee it seems a pretty good hole and pin location. I would put it in.

 

[Billyray]

That is not a raised basket, rather a severely uphill basket. Depending on distance from basket to ground at pole base, you could consider it standardized by my definition. If the picture is from the tee it seems a pretty good hole and pin location. I would put it in.

No you wouldn't that basket is way to large for you. You're so good that these giant baskets are making the game way to easy.

 

[zenbot]

That is not a raised basket, rather a severely uphill basket. Depending on distance from basket to ground at pole base, you could consider it standardized by my definition. If the picture is from the tee it seems a pretty good hole and pin location. I would put it in.

This was going to be my additional point. Is it OK to place a basket in a precarious spot where natural hazards occur but you can't artificially create a similar situation because the existing land doesn't offer that same challenge?

 

[DavidSauls]

EDIT: Build your own course. Otherwise stop ****ting on other peoples ideas and designs for no reason other than your own personal gain. Clearly you just like to argue because every thread you're in goes to **** real quick...

Funny you should bring that up. Just at this moment, I'm sort of wishing the Old Man were right.

We went out and built a course with about every flavor of OB imaginable. It's only got one elevated basket (on a mound), but has a hanging basket (which, on the gimmicky scale, ranks pretty high).

At this moment, we're dealing with a ridiculous amount of demand to play a tournament---it filled plus 28 waiting list in 3 minutes, with another 20 who gave up (that we know of). My life would be much better at the moment, if the vast majority didn't like "artificial OB".

Just an anecdote, not data, of course.

 

[oldmandiscer]

Note that pros liking or disliking design elements should have no bearing on whether they are used as long as the elements are safely designed and provide skillful entertainment or drama.

I thought we were here for fun, not watching layups on every raised basket. :\

 

[oldmandiscer]

So hole 1, this is your typical raised basket with artificial OB next to it. Note most of the course wasn't gimmicky like this. This was an outlier.

Now watch all the "half runs" (really layups) from 40 feet. Amazing excitement!!!

 

[wolfhaley]

So hole 1, this is your typical raised basket with artificial OB next to it. Note most of the course wasn't gimmicky like this. This was an outlier.

Now watch all the "half runs" (really layups) from 40 feet. Amazing excitement!!!

Just wait til you see round 2 and all the gimmicky trees in the fairway. Your mind will be blown!

Maybe if they chopped those gimmicky trees down we could make enough toilet paper to clean up the bull**** coming out of your face on an all too regular basis. There's not enough trees in the world for that though.

Why are you watching all these "gimmicky" tourneys though? Seems you are, no?

 

[curmudgeonDwindle]

I've made this point before and it's strong enough to merit repeating...

The entire game of golf is phony, an artificial contrivance designed to keep us shallow humans amused for a bit. No one believes it hypocritical in the least to be arguing about exactly how phony it needs to be for our disbelief to be suspended?

In defense of Old Man Discer, like a good reactionary, he believes the game is already 'too chaotic' and wishes to moderate the influx of new chaotic devices/influences. In his way, Kennedy does the same, as do all the other proponents of 'natural' golf courses and 'keeping things as they are'. All these voices 'have a point', have valid opinions and deserve acknowledgement (not necessarily affirmation) without judgement.

Why would that be? Because we all expect the same for ourselves...

On the other hand:
If you want to play the dozens,
well the dozens is game,
but the way I f**k your momma,
is a God Dam**d shame...

so what's it gonna be?

 

[oldmandiscer]

Just wait til you see round 2 and all the gimmicky trees in the fairway. Your mind will be blown!

Maybe if they chopped those gimmicky trees down we could make enough toilet paper to clean up the bull**** coming out of your face on an all too regular basis. There's not enough trees in the world for that though.

Why are you watching all these "gimmicky" tourneys though? Seems you are, no?

Well sure, the design was like going to the casino on some holes. Some of the par 3's had 1 birdie on the day. Basically throw it perfect then roll the dice. Not very good. Yes good designs do exist like Houck courses, so don't tell me I am overly critical. I may be very blunt but I think many people are just scared to hurt others feelings. We can do better. Not saying this course is terrible, it just could be much better. It was a mediocre watch.