Meillo
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... and I thought the Stego is be the most overstable disc available! Not even Drew Gibson could hyzerflip it!
You and your 5 year old son truly have huge arms, or suffer severly from OAT! ;-D
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Build the worst 5 disc bag, and I'll compete with it.
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... and I thought the Stego is be the most overstable disc available! Not even Drew Gibson could hyzerflip it!
You and your 5 year old son truly have huge arms, or suffer severly from OAT! ;-D
I threw an Epic for about a year. The novelty factor of its overhand flight kept it in my bag and I figured - why not toss it for other shots? To this day I haven't found any other disc with that distinct combination of massive high speed turnover and huge sweeping low speed fade. A lot of fun shot shapes could be made with them.
jakebake91
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Fun quick drift......
We actually did a one vs one with him and his Stegosaurus and me with the stego as a fun way to handicap a round to make it more fair. It was an interesting round haha.
uncle pennybags
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I also got the speed 14 driver. WOW! I spent a good 5 minutes laughing my ass off!
Driver 1 - Latitude 64 Opto-X Stiletto
Driver 2 - Innova DX Mamba
Mid 1 - Discraft Stratus (I think this is made only in baseline. Not 100% sure, but get baseline)
Mid 2 - Prodigy 750 A1
Putter - Pro-D Rattler
If the A1 isn't a mid to you, change it too a flat top Gator.
Driver 2 - Innova DX Mamba
Mid 1 - Discraft Stratus (I think this is made only in baseline. Not 100% sure, but get baseline)
Mid 2 - Prodigy 750 A1
Putter - Pro-D Rattler
If the A1 isn't a mid to you, change it too a flat top Gator.
ILUVSMGS18
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Groove
Wahoo/Dragon
Wolf
Lycan
Hydra
Wahoo/Dragon
Wolf
Lycan
Hydra
Armus Patheticus
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To the many people suggesting the Groove: I'm trying to create a true handicap here, and the Groove, no matter how hated, is in no way remarkable. Even if complaints about inconsistency are accurate, at worst I would have an overstable, low glide driver, and there are worse fates.
Lightning discs seem to have been suggested many times. It has been a long while since I threw any. I remember the ones I threw as controllable, and slowish, similar to the Cyclone and Tsunami era drivers. What in particular makes any of them "bad"?
I think some are probably right in thinking the most difficult bag would be an all understable one. When it comes to understable drivers, I think they're mostly the same.
What do you think of this?
-Putt'r, Birdie, Polecat, or Rattler
-Wolf seems to dominate the bad mid discussion
-Ultrastar
-Dragon, or any of a million other molds in beat-up base line plastic.
-I'm having trouble thinking of another driver that will have a different flight but still limit my options
Lightning discs seem to have been suggested many times. It has been a long while since I threw any. I remember the ones I threw as controllable, and slowish, similar to the Cyclone and Tsunami era drivers. What in particular makes any of them "bad"?
I think some are probably right in thinking the most difficult bag would be an all understable one. When it comes to understable drivers, I think they're mostly the same.
What do you think of this?
-Putt'r, Birdie, Polecat, or Rattler
-Wolf seems to dominate the bad mid discussion
-Ultrastar
-Dragon, or any of a million other molds in beat-up base line plastic.
-I'm having trouble thinking of another driver that will have a different flight but still limit my options
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The main issue of many of the lightning discs is the dimensions are really odd on a lot of them. I had a Hookshot the midrange one, can't remember number and it flew pretty good. Like a slower Wasp or Yao. The feel was completely bizarre. The rim itself was fairly shallow, but the inside of the flight plate was this thicker angled piece that angled again when it hit the top flattish angle another 2" or so towards the center. So you have this high PLH, shallow feeling disc, with an odd weight distribution and a pretty big dome, but not a whole lot of glide.
There are good discs from them, #2 upshot is basically a Challenger, the Helix series are like a chunky leopard and a gazelle. Just so many of them feel odd and the plastics, unless you get one of the prostyle runs(wears like a stiff pro but feels a bit like a vinyl record) they get beat up super easily.
For your final spot you should go with an overstable driver in super cheap plastic, like a base plastic Rampage or Ape. They would be useable and predictable at first, but the challenge would lie in not beating them up enough to drastically change the flight.
Armus Patheticus
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Here's the bag.
151 DX Birdie beat
159 DX Wolf new
Ultrastar old
131 Lightning #2 Flyer B2 Stealth (a large diameter mid/fairway thing that reminds me very much of the old Innova Scorpion) new
150 DX Archangel beat
If anyone can suggest a disc that is readily available and will create a greater handicap, I will keep considering suggestions until I play a tournament.
I don't know whether to play with the new discs and beat them up, or to go into competition in ignorance. Which is worse?
151 DX Birdie beat
159 DX Wolf new
Ultrastar old
131 Lightning #2 Flyer B2 Stealth (a large diameter mid/fairway thing that reminds me very much of the old Innova Scorpion) new
150 DX Archangel beat
If anyone can suggest a disc that is readily available and will create a greater handicap, I will keep considering suggestions until I play a tournament.
I don't know whether to play with the new discs and beat them up, or to go into competition in ignorance. Which is worse?
Cgkdisc
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I think the question is whether you will make the effort to use all five of those discs. I'm thinking I could play pretty well just using the Wolf and Archangel. Duvall showed me how well the Wolf works as a roller which I'm not sure many know or have tried.
Armus Patheticus
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I don't think I will make any particular effort to use all 5. Part of the reason I asked for distinct flights was to encourage the use of all of the tools available, but part of the experiment involves knowing how and when to use what you've got. So I'm not going to throw any particular disc unless I think it'll be the best available for that shot.
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It would be torture for me to throw with that bag.
Good luck!
I'd probably at least throw them in the field to get a feel for the flight, even if you don't want to risk tree hits.
Rucker61
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I'd even be willing to donate a set.
Armus Patheticus
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I finally got around to competing with these discs, and the results were unsurprising. In two rounds I threw an 850-something and a 990-something, and finished in the bottom third of a small advanced field. The Archangel and #2 Flyer were hard to control, and while I quit throwing them as much for round 2 it was improved putting that made the big difference.
With no flex shots available, scrambling was challenging. Archangel rollers were effective. The Wolf and Birdie were the most valuable tools, Birdie for approach shots, and Wolf for controlled hyzer to hyzer, hyzer to flat, hyzer to turnover shots and putting. The #2 was about as squirrelly as anything I've thrown. There wasn't much call for the Ultrastar.
These discs were definitely a handicap of sorts, but 990 is above my average these days... good, bad, and odd things can happen with any discs.
This experiment intended to challenge the perception that there are bad discs. Are there? Well, yes. The Lightning #2 Flyer in super light weight is probably one...
Except that different skill levels and different skill sets utilize different things differently. Right? Skill levels and spectrums are distinct, and evolve, and for someone, somewhere, even the worst disc is a good one.
With no flex shots available, scrambling was challenging. Archangel rollers were effective. The Wolf and Birdie were the most valuable tools, Birdie for approach shots, and Wolf for controlled hyzer to hyzer, hyzer to flat, hyzer to turnover shots and putting. The #2 was about as squirrelly as anything I've thrown. There wasn't much call for the Ultrastar.
These discs were definitely a handicap of sorts, but 990 is above my average these days... good, bad, and odd things can happen with any discs.
This experiment intended to challenge the perception that there are bad discs. Are there? Well, yes. The Lightning #2 Flyer in super light weight is probably one...
Except that different skill levels and different skill sets utilize different things differently. Right? Skill levels and spectrums are distinct, and evolve, and for someone, somewhere, even the worst disc is a good one.
So, the Innova Wolf ended up being one of the best worst discs that you tried? If this has sparked anyone's interest in getting one, I noticed that Walmart.com has a 165-169g dx Wolf on sale for $5000, with free delivery by July 8. The link is below for anyone interested.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Innova-D...lKBqkAgCN2GbpvS17tRoCp10QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Innova-D...lKBqkAgCN2GbpvS17tRoCp10QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Good to know. I think I saw a dx Wolf on infinite for $4900 the other day.
